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My records bad metallic sound quality (Vst Pianos)
#2847886 05/13/19 07:26 PM
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hello, I get bad sound quality in Vst Piano records.

Piano: Casio Celviano AP-460
Sound Card: Focusrite Scarlett Solo MK2 sound card
System: Ä°ntel core i5 4200m - 8gb ram - Windows 10 - Cubase Elements 9 (hp probook 450 g1 e9y39ea)

can you help me please. i am share sample record(Pianoteq6):



XLN Addictive Keys sample:



can you review the mid file. why there is such a disorder. no problems with mid-files downloaded from internet. sound quality is bad in my records.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/u48cbb8c822yudy/test.mid (recording with cable)

I received a direct mid recording from the piano. can you please review(CasioAP460): https://www.mediafire.com/file/7vx5pc6iy53cbw9/RECSONG.MID

is a problem because of the piano? sound sounds bad and treble. Sound resonates and degradation continues




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First thing first: how do you record yourself to end up with an audio file? We need to know your method from start to finish. Are you using a DAW? Which one?


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I'm using Cubase Elements 9. I'm recording in 2 ways. with usb cable with direct cubase, casio ap 460 with usb into midi recording. I think there are problems with casio pianos. no problems with mid-files downloaded from internet. i don't want to change the piano for it. I don't know how to fix frown

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The addictive keys sounded more metallic to me than the PTQ example...I assume you are recording direct to the PTQ?

I use to feel the same too when I was recording with PTQ direct (no experience with Addictive, never used it) - there were two factors:

1) If you are, using apple style earbuds to hear back your music recordings - don't! They are treble-y - get a decent pair of headphones instead.

2) Record via a DAW - and experiment with tools like limiters, compression, EQ, reverb (I do not bother with the built in ones as DAW reverb gives me finer tuning) - here is an example of what can be achieved (one of mine):

https://youtu.be/kA5POS2iOHk

Happy to hear if anyone find that too treble-y - to my ears sounds ok...

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Originally Posted by cmusicpr2
hello, I get bad sound quality in Vst Piano records.

Piano: Casio Celviano AP-460
Sound Card: Focusrite Scarlett Solo MK2 sound card
System: Ä°ntel core i5 4200m - 8gb ram - Windows 10 - Cubase Elements 9 (hp probook 450 g1 e9y39ea)

can you help me please. i am share sample record(Pianoteq6):



XLN Addictive Keys sample:



can you review the mid file. why there is such a disorder. no problems with mid-files downloaded from internet. sound quality is bad in my records.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/u48cbb8c822yudy/test.mid (recording with cable)

I received a direct mid recording from the piano. can you please review(CasioAP460): https://www.mediafire.com/file/7vx5pc6iy53cbw9/RECSONG.MID

is a problem because of the piano? sound sounds bad and treble. Sound resonates and degradation continues



Both PTq and Addictive keys sounded identical. You probably only need a bit of ambience to improve things greatly.


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Is this how they sound when you are playing them, or just when you make it an audio file? Are you doing any mixing? Be sure to use good headphones or monitors when you mix (NOT Beats headphones). Use an EQ plugin in Cubase (there may be one already installed) to figure out where the frequencies are that need to be lessened for a richer sound. Then take your audio file to several different playback sources and then based on what you hear, go back and fix the mix.


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I'm going to download your midi and record it THE WAy IT SHOULD be done: with my own instance of Pianoteq6 VIA the DAW (by rendering the midi track through the VST). The recording will entirely take place inside the computer (so to speak) and upload it. This way you'll see how it will come up. I'm assuming you're using pianteq Steinway D which is the base paino. For now, I won't put any EQ, filters, compressor and the like. Just pure pianoteq out of the box.

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Sounds "normal" to me. Your right hand plays quite loud notes, so the timbre is expected to be more metallic. And both Pianoteq and the other VST may just sound quite different from the Casio. And have a longer (more realistic) sustain. Not to mention the resonances in Pianoteq at least.

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This is what it will sound "no matter what" when properly recorded, that is: rendered through the DAW, in FLAC format.
Was done without adjustment, pianoteq6 out of the box with Steinway D classical preset, no compressor, no Eq, no filters of any kind.

https://soundcloud.com/alan-lejeune-436792803/test/s-Mv2o1

Sounds pretty much the same to me, it's no bad recording. You have to find the right sound by tweaking pianoteq6. I would especially recommends you tweak and find the good velocity curve for your keyboard, it's sounding too flat and too heavy. Also try to bring in more nuance to your playing to see the difference in sound you get.

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OP - I hope you don't mind me for doing this. And this is not to criticize how you played.

I downloaded your MIDI file and opened it in MuseScore with velocity plugin. It shows the velocity value over each note. The first 12 bars is like this.

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Velocity values of the melody notes on treble staff are in the range of 86-99.
If you use the default linear velocity curve in Pianoteq, that range would be around forte.
If I intend to play forte on Pianoteq (or any piano, actually), I would expect to get that kind of sound: bright, hard, and strong note attack.

This is more like velocity mismatch issue.
If you intended to play soft sweet melody and you already played softly, you should adjust the velocity curve to match the MIDI velocity sent from your keyboard.
I'm not sure if you can adjust your Casio to shift the velocity values by change the key response to hard (or harder).

Another thing you could do, if you have Pianoteq standard, is to lower hammer hardness in voicing section, but that would soften the whole piano and lose the upper dynamic timbre.

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You can soften the piano response by altering the vel curve in PTq which enabled you to also retain the dynamic range for when you play hard.


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cmusicpr2 #2852393 05/26/19 01:52 PM
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thank you to everyone. I can't solve the problem. When the velocity is reduced, the sound is choking. I tried all the vst sound banks. Piano speed curve at the most precise setting. With cubase you can try to reduce velocity does not solve problem. a problem with casio pianos. can we fix the problem by fixing the midi file?

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I don't mind it much here, and usually Pianoteq's metallic resonance bothers me period, I use Arturia's Piano V instead of it.

I hear it more with the headphones, my speakers soften it a bit so it's mostly fine. If you're set on using these plugins, and can't get the internal settings to work better, perhaps an Effect VST to soften up the audio will help? I'm not sure which one though.


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Originally Posted by siros
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I'm not sure if you can adjust your Casio to shift the velocity values by change the key response to hard (or harder).

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All the recent Casio's have a "Touch" setting in the menu.

A "Hard" setting reduces the MIDI velocity, for a given key velocity -- If you want a "ff" volume (and tone quality), you have to hit the keys pretty hard. So dynamic gradations between "pp" - "pppp" are easier to play.

A "Soft" setting does the opposite -- you can reach "ff" with moderate velocity, but the soft dynamic gradations happen over a narrower range of key velocities.

The setting one step harder than "default" suited me. With that, _I_ could produce MIDI velocities from about 10 to about 115. (I won't blame the PX-350<g>).

I still needed a Pianoteq "velocity curve", because I wanted to map that "10..115" range into the full Pianoteq "1..127" dynamic range.

That combination might make the OP happy, or not.




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