Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
136 registered members (Alex_G, anotherscott, Animisha, aphexdisklavier, BluMunk, accordeur, Bobby Badd, Abdol, Amedeus, 36 invisible), 1,677 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Takayama Piano #2848122
05/14/19 04:05 PM
05/14/19 04:05 PM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Hi
While I was shopping for a new piano I can across a new Japanese piano called Takayama. It has also on the side (Japanese Technology). The dealer claims that this is a new Japanese brand that is being distributed world wide. He also said it is as good as Yamaha and Kawai and for almost half the price for a brand new piano with fancy finish and larger/taller cabinet and adjustable bench.

I have been looking for reviews online or any information about this manufacturer, I couldn't find any.

Does anyone here has any information on this piano?

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848127
05/14/19 04:23 PM
05/14/19 04:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 763
Southern California
TomLC Online content
Gold Subscriber
TomLC  Online Content
Gold Subscriber

Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 763
Southern California
You can go to their website: http://takayamapiano.com/

It looks like they do not distribute in the US. It is not new. They started in 1984.

Last edited by TomLC; 05/14/19 04:24 PM.

[Linked Image]

Kawai Novus NV10
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: TomLC] #2848131
05/14/19 04:33 PM
05/14/19 04:33 PM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Thanks for sharing the website. Yet, it looks very basic and has broken links to their social media. It is weird that they are in the market since 1984 and couldn't find any review on them anywhere! I couldn't even find the website!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848142
05/14/19 05:21 PM
05/14/19 05:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Wow, going to that link I saw their green and environmental piano with a color pattern that looked kinda camouflage. Wow!
Itโ€™s really different for sure.


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: j&j] #2848144
05/14/19 05:29 PM
05/14/19 05:29 PM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
It looks very fishy and not professional at all! Check the pictures of celebrity and tours all has Chinese text and not Japanese!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848148
05/14/19 05:48 PM
05/14/19 05:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 935
Kitsap County, WA
Chrispy Offline
Gold Subscriber
Chrispy  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 935
Kitsap County, WA
A little internet research comes up with this very possibly being a private label on a cheap Chinese piano. I would be very surprised if there is a new Japanese piano manufacturer that no one here seems to have heard of, and as noted their website is super sketchy. Their case it not helped by the fact that their listed address is the Takayama Green Hotel...

If no one on this forum vouches for it, I would run away, very fast. In that case, at the least, it seems like the dealer is not being very honest with you and I don't know that I would continue to do business with them.


๐’€๐’‚๐’Ž๐’‚๐’‰๐’‚ ๐‘จ๐’—๐’‚๐’๐’• ๐‘ฎ๐’“๐’‚๐’๐’… ๐‘ต1๐‘ฟ
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848153
05/14/19 06:08 PM
05/14/19 06:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Well yeah the English sounds like Google translater. It does seem fishy. Perhaps a stencil brand with a Japanese sounding name vs. a German sounding name. The comparison to Yamahas and Kawai pianos seems to be a give away.


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848158
05/14/19 06:23 PM
05/14/19 06:23 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
โ€œTAKAYAMA Piano Company was founded in 1984, and it is situated in Gifu County in Japan, which is known as an important city of good quality wood production especially for making pianos. Takayama is a Sino-foreign joint venture for producing pianos.โ€
?????????
Iโ€™d run the other way. Fast. Very Fast.


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: j&j] #2848163
05/14/19 06:47 PM
05/14/19 06:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 935
Kitsap County, WA
Chrispy Offline
Gold Subscriber
Chrispy  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 935
Kitsap County, WA
Originally Posted by j&j
Sino-foreign joint venture for producing pianos


I missed that! Yep, cheap Chinese piano being relabeled by an exporter who has an "office" (po box?) in a hotel...


๐’€๐’‚๐’Ž๐’‚๐’‰๐’‚ ๐‘จ๐’—๐’‚๐’๐’• ๐‘ฎ๐’“๐’‚๐’๐’… ๐‘ต1๐‘ฟ
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Chrispy] #2848279
05/15/19 03:06 AM
05/15/19 03:06 AM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by j&j
Sino-foreign joint venture for producing pianos


I missed that! Yep, cheap Chinese piano being relabeled by an exporter who has an "office" (po box?) in a hotel...


Thanks! I checked the address on google maps, yes it is a hotel address. I also found that the phone number doesn't exist and the area code in the number is for Nagoya which is 150+ KM from the address on the website! A very cheap scam website!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848670
05/16/19 07:08 AM
05/16/19 07:08 AM
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 162
Hawai'i Island
B
BigIslandGuy Offline
Full Member
BigIslandGuy  Offline
Full Member
B

Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 162
Hawai'i Island
In the "How we make it" section, the link title, Part 1, became "Patr1". If this is an indicator of their attention to detail, it doesn't bode well. All in all, this has the smell of week old fish on a sunny dock.

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848709
05/16/19 09:35 AM
05/16/19 09:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
D
DPCK Offline
Junior Member
DPCK  Offline
Junior Member
D

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Rash
It looks very fishy and not professional at all! Check the pictures of celebrity and tours all has Chinese text and not Japanese!


If you check the pictures you are referring to, you can see that the name of the Chinese company manufacturing this piano (Huapu Piano Co., Ltd.).

The same pictures is used on both Takayama piano website and their website http://www.huapupiano.com/
. Actually, the Takayama piano website uses all the pictures and similar structure.The files even have the same names.

In the below pics you can see that the people on the table are Chinese and the name of the Chinese manufacturer.



[Linked Image]

http://takayamapiano.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/xy7.jpg


[Linked Image]

http://www.huapupiano.com/Uploads/xy7.jpg

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848721
05/16/19 09:53 AM
05/16/19 09:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
D
DPCK Offline
Junior Member
DPCK  Offline
Junior Member
D

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Rash
Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by j&j
Sino-foreign joint venture for producing pianos


I missed that! Yep, cheap Chinese piano being relabeled by an exporter who has an "office" (po box?) in a hotel...


Thanks! I checked the address on google maps, yes it is a hotel address. I also found that the phone number doesn't exist and the area code in the number is for Nagoya which is 150+ KM from the address on the website! A very cheap scam website!


They seem to be a multinational company!!! hehe !!! They have two locations in Japan, one in China and their website is registered on go daddy from Amman, Jordan!!

http://whois.domaintools.com/takayamapiano.com

https://bit.ly/2JRI8Gn

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848723
05/16/19 10:00 AM
05/16/19 10:00 AM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 49
New York
K
KL NY Offline
Full Member
KL NY  Offline
Full Member
K

Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 49
New York
Everyone has fun with this detective work ! cool

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848798
05/16/19 12:30 PM
05/16/19 12:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 95
Portland, Oregon, USA
Emery Wang Offline
Full Member
Emery Wang  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 95
Portland, Oregon, USA
Still, it's a lot of work to put together a piano, even a crappy one. What I don't understand is if they're going to go to all that effort anyway, why not do it right? crazy


Kawai MP11SE
Kawai GL10
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848886
05/16/19 03:25 PM
05/16/19 03:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
L
Lady Bird Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Lady Bird  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
What I would like now is for someone to write in and
say yes they have this piano and it's great !

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2848998
05/16/19 08:12 PM
05/16/19 08:12 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Unfortunately it takes a lot more person hours and higher end materials to do it right. Also, it takes more time to do proper factory final prep before shipping to do it right. There is a market for new crappy pianos and some manufacturers will meet that demand.


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: DPCK] #2849099
05/17/19 03:43 AM
05/17/19 03:43 AM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by DPCK
Originally Posted by Rash
Originally Posted by Chrispy
Originally Posted by j&j
Sino-foreign joint venture for producing pianos


I missed that! Yep, cheap Chinese piano being relabeled by an exporter who has an "office" (po box?) in a hotel...


Thanks! I checked the address on google maps, yes it is a hotel address. I also found that the phone number doesn't exist and the area code in the number is for Nagoya which is 150+ KM from the address on the website! A very cheap scam website!


They seem to be a multinational company!!! hehe !!! They have two locations in Japan, one in China and their website is registered on go daddy from Amman, Jordan!!

http://whois.domaintools.com/takayamapiano.com

https://bit.ly/2JRI8Gn


This explains it all, as I saw it at Freddy for Music in Amman/Jordan. Apparently, this is his private label trying to convince people that it is a Japanese piano in a very unprofessional way!

I also double checked the partners page to see if someone else from those claimed partners is carrying it, the list doesn't have any email or website and most of the names are not accurate and once you google them nothing is showed up. Apparently, the whole website is fake!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: j&j] #2849100
05/17/19 03:55 AM
05/17/19 03:55 AM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by j&j
Unfortunately it takes a lot more person hours and higher end materials to do it right. Also, it takes more time to do proper factory final prep before shipping to do it right. There is a market for new crappy pianos and some manufacturers will meet that demand.


There is no problem selling crappy pianos for low price to meet the demand in that market. However, these manufacturers and dealers try to play the German/Japanese name game to cheat and sell their products at higher prices and position themselves in the upper market!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849191
05/17/19 10:27 AM
05/17/19 10:27 AM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
L
Lady Bird Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Lady Bird  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
Yes one does not often hear Chinese makers using Japanese
names. It is usually German ?

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849206
05/17/19 10:58 AM
05/17/19 10:58 AM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Originally Posted by Rash
Originally Posted by j&j
Unfortunately it takes a lot more person hours and higher end materials to do it right. Also, it takes more time to do proper factory final prep before shipping to do it right. There is a market for new crappy pianos and some manufacturers will meet that demand.


There is no problem selling crappy pianos for low price to meet the demand in that market. However, these manufacturers and dealers try to play the German/Japanese name game to cheat and sell their products at higher prices and position themselves in the upper market!

I needed to add โ€œunscrupulous manufacturersโ€ to the statement. Sadly, in every market there are liars, cheats, and thieves selling crap to the unwitting. If all potential piano buyers would read and research before walking into a piano store, they could probably spot and hear that itโ€™s junk. I do think overall new piano buyers are much better informed than they were 30 years ago, with no Internet. But we still hear piano shopping horror stories. ๐Ÿ˜ช


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Lady Bird] #2849221
05/17/19 11:40 AM
05/17/19 11:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
D
DPCK Offline
Junior Member
DPCK  Offline
Junior Member
D

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Yes one does not often hear Chinese makers using Japanese
names. It is usually German ?

True! Usually the names are German with MAN suffex like Hoffman, Helman, etc. and those who bought old names will have Since 18XX or 19XX like Ritmuller from Pearl River in China. This one is being creative!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: j&j] #2849223
05/17/19 11:45 AM
05/17/19 11:45 AM
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
R
Rash Offline OP
Junior Member
Rash  Offline OP
Junior Member
R

Joined: May 2019
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by j&j
Originally Posted by Rash
Originally Posted by j&j
Unfortunately it takes a lot more person hours and higher end materials to do it right. Also, it takes more time to do proper factory final prep before shipping to do it right. There is a market for new crappy pianos and some manufacturers will meet that demand.


There is no problem selling crappy pianos for low price to meet the demand in that market. However, these manufacturers and dealers try to play the German/Japanese name game to cheat and sell their products at higher prices and position themselves in the upper market!

I needed to add โ€œunscrupulous manufacturersโ€ to the statement. Sadly, in every market there are liars, cheats, and thieves selling crap to the unwitting. If all potential piano buyers would read and research before walking into a piano store, they could probably spot and hear that itโ€™s junk. I do think overall new piano buyers are much better informed than they were 30 years ago, with no Internet. But we still hear piano shopping horror stories. ๐Ÿ˜ช



Totally agree! Without the Internet, such dealers would have escaped with their stories easily. I am sure many were victims before that. Today, the would be successful only if the buyer doesn't do the home work.

Also these pianos come with unbelievable life-time and 15-20 years warranty. I wonder who would trust such a dealer of manufacturer to respect this long warranty while cheating to get the deal done!!

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849254
05/17/19 12:36 PM
05/17/19 12:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,403
Georgia, USA
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Rickster  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,403
Georgia, USA
Originally Posted by Rash
Totally agree! Without the Internet, such dealers would have escaped with their stories easily. I am sure many were victims before that. Today, the would be successful only if the buyer doesn't do the home work.

Also these pianos come with unbelievable life-time and 15-20 years warranty. I wonder who would trust such a dealer of manufacturer to respect this long warranty while cheating to get the deal done!!

Well, this is just my opinion, but we can't blame victims for being victims. And, we can't judge others too harshly who may not have been as research savvy when shopping for a piano, regardless of brand or unscrupulous marketing or tactics. In fact, in this day and age, consumers should expect a certain amount of deception in marketing practices of most companies.

There is a used piano dealer in the Atlanta area who has been in business in the area a long time and has thousands of used pianos for sale; he floods Craigslist with his piano ads. Some of the ads are worded to sound like he's a private seller. He also has lots of piano ads on eBay. He was selling a Chinese made brand a few years ago called "Steinlager". Yep, the first part of the name "Stein" what does that remind you of? Anyway, I have actually talked to him a few times about some of his pianos. We discussed the Steinlager brand. He said he owned the factory in China where they build the Steinlager.

The first thought that came to my mind is, Really? A used piano dealer from Atlanta (who also has roots in France because he's French) owns the factory in China where they build his Steinlager brand. I actually found that statement rather hard to believe. Knowing a little about the Chinese economy and their government, I doubted very seriously that he "owned" the factory in China that builds the Steinlager. He may well have "contracted" with the real owners of the factory in China, but I doubt very seriously he actually "owned" the factory. But it was a rather witty and clever slant of words on his part, I suppose.

However, I could be wrong and perhaps misjudging him. Since I would like to maintain my own integrity and character and wouldn't want to unfairly misjudge someone, my words can be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as the Takayama brand piano, like the Steinlager, it reminds me of two things right off the bat... "Taka" reminds me of the little-known Tokai brand of pianos once made in Hamamatsu Japan (no longer in business), and "yama" reminds me of Yamaha, a huge name in the piano industry. So, I suppose if you are going to build and market a new and different piano brand, using part of a name subtally of a more famous piano brand seems like a good strategy on their part. And, secondly, as has been mentioned already, it could be that they could make enough profit off of lesser-informed buyers looking for a nice piano at a lower price; hence, by the time they reach the end of their start-up and follow-through cycle and the piano sales they do make, they are ready to drop that name and move on to another cycle of riding the coattail of successful piano brands with another obscure and little known cross-bread brand-name with parts of common and well-know sounding piano brand names...

But you never know... the Takayama brand piano might be the best thing since Steinway & Sons (or not). smile

Just my .02.

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849290
05/17/19 01:51 PM
05/17/19 01:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 577
Chicago
I
iLaw Online content
500 Post Club Member
iLaw  Online Content
500 Post Club Member
I

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 577
Chicago
The world is full of products with trade names or trademarks that suggest a geographical origin other than the true origin. Sometimes it's undoubtedly to be deceptive, but I'm sure the advertising executives out there will say that other times it's simply to evoke a sales-friendly image or feeling about the product. Don't you think your perfume will sell better with a French name, even if it's made in New Jersey?

Which perfume are you going to pick off the shelf, "Eau de la Seine" or "Hudson River Water"?

Larry.

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: DPCK] #2849293
05/17/19 02:01 PM
05/17/19 02:01 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
L
Lady Bird Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Lady Bird  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver

Originally Posted by DPCK
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Yes one does not often hear Chinese makers using Japanese
names. It is usually German ?

True! Usually the names are German with MAN suffex like Hoffman, Helman, etc. and those who bought old names will have Since 18XX or 19XX like Ritmuller from Pearl River in China. This one is being creative!

Just to clarify the W Hoffman piano by CBechstein is made by the
Bechstein factory in the Czech Republic.

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849297
05/17/19 02:11 PM
05/17/19 02:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
L
Lady Bird Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Lady Bird  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
I agree there are people new at buying pianos,and because
pianos with German sounding names are an easy sell ,especially
if the dealer is cunning.I always wonder whether some of these "dealers " end up with fraud charges.

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: iLaw] #2849309
05/17/19 03:10 PM
05/17/19 03:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Originally Posted by iLaw
The world is full of products with trade names or trademarks that suggest a geographical origin other than the true origin. Sometimes it's undoubtedly to be deceptive, but I'm sure the advertising executives out there will say that other times it's simply to evoke a sales-friendly image or feeling about the product. Don't you think your perfume will sell better with a French name, even if it's made in New Jersey?

Which perfume are you going to pick off the shelf, "Eau de la Seine" or "Hudson River Water"?

Larry.



If Eau de la Seine smells like Hudson River water it would quickly teach the buyer to try a sample mist first before buying. The old stencil brand practice of selling a PSO at a higher price to a newbie, the newbie doesnโ€™t yet have the ear to determine if itโ€™s a quality piano or not. Of course there maybe folks who like the smell of Hudson River Water.


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849349
05/17/19 05:06 PM
05/17/19 05:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,403
Georgia, USA
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Rickster  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,403
Georgia, USA
Originally Posted by j&j
If Eau de la Seine smells like Hudson River water it would quickly teach the buyer to try a sample mist first before buying. The old stencil brand practice of selling a PSO at a higher price to a newbie, the newbie doesnโ€™t yet have the ear to determine if itโ€™s a quality piano or not. Of course there maybe folks who like the smell of Hudson River Water.

Okay, this is getting OT here, but the OT was already in motion... smile

When I was a technical college instructor I had a student who had just retired out of the military. He was originally from New Jersey but decided to stay in Georgia after he retired because this is where he was last stationed in the military and he liked living in Georgia.

He said he had recently visited some of his relatives in New Jersey and one of his brothers began cracking jokes about him living in Georgia. He (the student) said he had enough of his brother's Georgia jokes and told his brother that, compared to Georgia, where they lived in New Jersey was basically a land-fill with garbage and trash all over the streets and it also smelled like a land-fill.

So, perhaps if the new Eau de la Seine perfume did indeed smell like water from the Hudson river, it may not be such a good seller after all, regardless of the fancy name, though some people may like it. smile

*No offense to anyone from New Jersey. I've rarely been out of the state of Georgia myself, and never visited New Jersey and was merely repeating what I heard someone else say...*

Now back to Takayama pianos... smile

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849353
05/17/19 05:21 PM
05/17/19 05:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
L
Lady Bird Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Lady Bird  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,579
North Vancouver
Perhaps one day they will spray pianos with the smell of freshly
cut cedar.Something like "Black Forest "perfume ?

Last edited by Lady Bird; 05/17/19 05:23 PM. Reason: Missing word
Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rickster] #2849399
05/17/19 07:58 PM
05/17/19 07:58 PM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 137
Foster City, CA, US
K
Ken Iisaka Offline
Full Member
Ken Iisaka  Offline
Full Member
K

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 137
Foster City, CA, US
Originally Posted by Rickster
As far as the Takayama brand piano, like the Steinlager, it reminds me of two things right off the bat... "Taka" reminds me of the little-known Tokai brand of pianos once made in Hamamatsu Japan (no longer in business), and "yama" reminds me of Yamaha, a huge name in the piano industry.


Takayama is actually a city in the Gifu Prefecture, meaning "High Mountains." It's a popular tourist destination for the architecture of the region, particularly the architecture of farmhouses that are built to withstand the heavy snow in winter.

Use of foreign-sounding names were not uncommon in other places. In Japan, there were once poor-quality cheap PSOs with European sounding names. There were lots of brand names with "Stein" in the name.

Eventually, only Yamaha and Kawai survived as major players, because they were basically the only ones making quality pianos.

I predict that the majority of manufacturers in China, particularly those fly-by-night slapping on fake brand names will be out of business in 10 years or less. Those Chinese pianos with illegitimate, stolen brand names (think Mason&Hamlin, Stuart&Sons...) will be history soon. They are best forgotten quickly.

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Ken Iisaka] #2849484
05/18/19 05:19 AM
05/18/19 05:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
D
DPCK Offline
Junior Member
DPCK  Offline
Junior Member
D

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Ken Iisaka
Originally Posted by Rickster
As far as the Takayama brand piano, like the Steinlager, it reminds me of two things right off the bat... "Taka" reminds me of the little-known Tokai brand of pianos once made in Hamamatsu Japan (no longer in business), and "yama" reminds me of Yamaha, a huge name in the piano industry.


Takayama is actually a city in the Gifu Prefecture, meaning "High Mountains." It's a popular tourist destination for the architecture of the region, particularly the architecture of farmhouses that are built to withstand the heavy snow in winter.

Use of foreign-sounding names were not uncommon in other places. In Japan, there were once poor-quality cheap PSOs with European sounding names. There were lots of brand names with "Stein" in the name.

Eventually, only Yamaha and Kawai survived as major players, because they were basically the only ones making quality pianos.

I predict that the majority of manufacturers in China, particularly those fly-by-night slapping on fake brand names will be out of business in 10 years or less. Those Chinese pianos with illegitimate, stolen brand names (think Mason&Hamlin, Stuart&Sons...) will be history soon. They are best forgotten quickly.


Yes Takayama is a name of a city. They are trying to use it to make people believe it is a center of handcrafts etc. on the their website. While in reality, Hamamatsu is the city of musical instruments in Japan

Re: Takayama Piano [Re: Rash] #2849520
05/18/19 08:39 AM
05/18/19 08:39 AM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
j&j Online content
500 Post Club Member
j&j  Online Content
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 979
Southwest
Itโ€™s sad. Between copyright infringement, trademark issues, and stealing intellectual property, I guess using the name of a Japanese city to sell crappy pianos made somewhere in China to people who donโ€™t know better has been going on for quite awhile. Piano buyer beware!!! The good news to all of this is in most countries without search engine censorship, our research tool is our handy smartphones. New buyers donโ€™t have to remain clueless. With this thread going that names Takayama pianos, right after the user types it into Google, theyโ€™ll get the phony website and then it will bring up this PianoWorld thread. So to our PianoWorld team and experts, you are fighting the good fight against the evil doers hawking crap to the uninformed! Yeah PianoWorld!


J & J
Yahama C3 PE
Casio Privia PX-330
Pianos - the reason God made trees!
[Linked Image]
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
DP Dilemma (first world problems)
by Crusaderrabbit. 06/20/19 09:45 AM
An Evening in Paris
by cmb13. 06/20/19 08:17 AM
John Ogdon - cause of death
by Hank Drake. 06/20/19 07:47 AM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics192,619
Posts2,840,034
Members93,662
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1