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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2847825
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Do I change settings? Yes and no. I try to change them, but often the interface is too confusing.


Yes, that's the one issue that can be really frustrating. The Kurzweil VAST architecture for example, has so many parameters that can be adjusted it can be overwhelming. Especially because their screens are quite small and the menu diving can be intense. Luckily there are 3rd party editors that help considerably.


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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2847914
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I don't see why one should limit the testing of a digital instrument to the factory defaults. To me, programmability is in the top three priorities before I buy. I like machines like the ones made by Kurzweil as they offer excellent programmability. My latest acquisition and also by far my favorite digital instrument, the Korg Kronos, has a 1175 pages manual. Don't like a thing or two about a piano or any other sound ? You have lots of parameters to tweak the sound to your liking.

Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2847941
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Korg and Kurzweil are usually the last choices when one seeks a digital piano for its... well, piano sound smile


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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: CyberGene] #2847963
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Korg and Kurzweil are usually the last choices when one seeks a digital piano for its... well, piano sound smile

I think there s no great answer for the question that was asked here. I will try to put it a little bit differently.

Even the same piano model of acoustics are slightly different from one another. You go to the shop, you find 2 pianos same model, slightly different sound. What does this mean? Is any of those a bad piano? Or is it something which can easily be fixed by some regulation/ voicing ?

This is what happens with digitals as well. Sound is coming from speakers, so you need to take into consideration the ambient space as well. The same digital tested in shop at default sound may sound good there, but crappy in your home because of room limitations etc. what would you do then? You start playing with settings. Imagine a piano tweaked to sound best in a 15 square meters room exposed in a big piano shop. Wouldn t it sound dull and awkward ?

These are just my 2 cents about the topic, and I ll let you guys decide the answer.


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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: Bosendorff] #2847964
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Originally Posted by Bosendorff
I don't see why one should limit the testing of a digital instrument to the factory defaults. To me, programmability is in the top three priorities before I buy. I like machines like the ones made by Kurzweil as they offer excellent programmability. My latest acquisition and also by far my favorite digital instrument, the Korg Kronos, has a 1175 pages manual. Don't like a thing or two about a piano or any other sound ? You have lots of parameters to tweak the sound to your liking.


If I could have an acoustic I would, but they are too loud and require too much space.

I want to be able to sit down at my piano and play. I have little interest in spending time on configuring the piano, I have little free time at alll and the free time I have goes on practise.

As far as possible taking into consideration room acoustics I want to be able to just sit down and play. The 15 second boot time of of my DP is tolerable just.


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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2847973
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Some people say: "I am absolulte beginner, wanna buy my first DP. Tried X, Y and Z. Didn't like X and Z, bought Y". As I see with my LX 706, the sound with default settings and the sound with personal settings are 2 big differences. I do not like the first and like the second very much. But may be some newbies do not even know how much can settings change the sound? They just test pianos as they are in shops. And sometimes form wrong opinion, I guess...


Dear PS@33,

This is my test script in store:

1) Identify competing products.
2) Identify Grand Piano (acoustic)
3) Play Grand Piano or a few uprights for a minute or so.
4) Go to digitals with the power off and play the notes to test the weight and feel of the action against the acoustic.

5) Turn on the instruments, select default piano, push volume to 2/3rds and adorn headphones: test each different instrument's main piano one by one using variety of exercises (15 mins each):
a) Scales with and without damper
b) Block chords with and without damper (with half damper too).
c) A piece with lots of legato.
d) A piece containing lots of dynamic shifts.
e) Something classical with lots of sequences.
f) Something funky.

6) Quick run through of the other piano voices - note any I really like.
7) Test of following epianos: Rhodes mk 1 and2, Clavinet, DX7 clones etc (both with and without various effects)
8) Test drawbar organs and synth modules
9) Test orchestral patches

10) Study functions: test sound mixing, splits, multi-splits; test user presets; test rhythm &/or metronome;
11) Look at sound edit functionality and assign-ability of functions/effects to pedals.
**Yes, play with the main piano sound and change:
---Graphic EQ
---Reverb
---String resonance
---Damper resonance
---etc.
12) Check over midi functionality.
13) Assess User Interface and preset changing
14) Go back to piano and assess how it feels to play in terms of dynamics and expressive control.

15) Shortlist from the ones I liked most and retest to directly compare.

Ideally use your own headphones unless your own headphones are pretty bog standard. If you have Pianoteq on a laptop, it's a good idea to take it along with you and test the actions against a reference sound. I never decide there and then and will often go back for a second try after a few days or so.

Kind regards,

Doug.


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Re: Do you change settings when you test new DPs in shops? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2848060
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Actually we have checked out one setting before donating a Kawai ES-110 for our local church.
This was Flat EQ, which slightly improved the sound via the PPA system we have brought to the showroom smile

In general, after identifying the models to test, it can make sense to identify if there are some crucial parameters to try out as well.
The more expensive the piano is, the more time it is worth to invest.


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