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Tuning tuition #2847667
05/13/19 06:01 AM
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Hello guys,

I am looking for somebody who is willing to give me some tuition on tuning. I've read the books and had a few goes and would just like a bit of one on one help to make sure I'm being efficient and correct etc. as I'd like to start offering it as a service in the not too distant future. I am also rebuilding piano so would like to be able to tune them!

I am near Worthing, West Sussex (UK). If anybody is willing or knows someone who is please do let me know!

Many thanks
George

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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847671
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George, I think you may struggle with this, in the UK. The Piano Tuners Association is a much smaller body than the PTG in the USA, and does not have local Chapter meetings; in the USA a valuable resource for networking. Almost all UK tuners are self-employed individuals, struggling to make a living, and not in a position to take on mentoring (nor, indeed, do we have the culture of mentoring that exists in the USA)

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Hi David,

Yes I have been having trouble finding people. I have emailed around a lot, including the PTA. I shall persevere! I'll keep putting the practice in as I'm fortunate enough to have access to many pianos to practice on

Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847731
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That's definitely what to do in the meantime, George. It sounds like you're in a good position to get lots of practice, which is great.

Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847762
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Originally Posted by gevans10
Hello guys,

I am looking for somebody who is willing to give me some tuition on tuning. I've read the books and had a few goes and would just like a bit of one on one help to make sure I'm being efficient and correct etc. as I'd like to start offering it as a service in the not too distant future. I am also rebuilding piano so would like to be able to tune them!

I am near Worthing, West Sussex (UK). If anybody is willing or knows someone who is please do let me know!

Many thanks
George


George,

I recommend you contact Mark Cerisano a professional tuner and teacher who does online tuition and can supply books to go with his courses. I have two of his tuning books and they are exceptionally well written, e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Piano-Tuning-Mark-Cerisano/dp/1312376880

Website: http://howtotunepianos.com/about/
Email: mrtunerservice@gmail.com

I have no commercial affiliation to Mark

regards,

Ian


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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847766
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The important thing to remember is that at least 90% of the work that is required to learn the business you have to do on your own. Nobody can hear with your ears, or move your hands. Not only that, there are so many variants among pianos that you have to understand the principles, and then teach yourself how to apply them to the specific instruments.


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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847775
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I'm going to suggest that since you're already rebuilding pianos, tuning them may not be as big a step as you think, if you're willing to use an ETA (Electronic Tuning App or Aid). You might be over-thinking this a bit. PianoMeter (formerly Easy Piano Tuner) is one app that has been discussed on these pages. It's great software, easy to use and inexpensive.


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Originally Posted by That Guy
I'm going to suggest that since you're already rebuilding pianos, tuning them may not be as big a step as you think, if you're willing to use an ETA (Electronic Tuning App or Aid). You might be over-thinking this a bit. PianoMeter (formerly Easy Piano Tuner) is one app that has been discussed on these pages. It's great software, easy to use and inexpensive.

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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2847986
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Thanks for the help guys. I also play which helps a lot with intervals etc. I thunk for the time being i will continue as I am until I consistantly get it right and gradually speed it up. I have the Easy Piano Tuner app but havent really used it yet other than setting 440.

I'll get cracking!

Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2848090
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It will be a big help to you if you can learn to tune nice 'clean' unisons by ear. Can you already do that?

Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2848413
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Hello George,
I see that the comment has been made that "most tuners are struggling to make a living"
That's certainly not true where I am in Hampshire, not too far from you.
Most tuners I know are, like me, awash with work and regularly passing work to colleagues as they have too much on.
It's a great career in these parts, especially if you aim at a very high standard of work. I haven't advertised anywhere for over 30 years, all my work comes from recommendation and there's more than I can cope with.
If you are prepared to travel to me I will happily help. Private message me if you'd like to talk more.
Good luck, whatever you decide.
Nick


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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2848508
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I'm getting better at the unisons yes. I double check the strings separately with the app and sometimes they're spot on. Nick - thank you very much. I will send you a message

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Nick, I might move to Hampshire...….

It's a function of population density within a given area, and wealth/employment, I think.

In Hampshire, including Portsmouth and Southampton, you have a population of around 1.76 million, in a land area of 1,455 square miles. Assuming the county to be circular (which it isn't) and you in the centre (which I'm sure you're not), you have 1.76 million people within an 18-mile radius.

In the West of Scotland (taking rough figures) there is a population of around 3 million, in a land area of about 15,000 square miles. Wealth and employment are also factors, with Hampshire having relative proximity to London (sometimes considered among the Home Counties).

But an awful lot of tuners in other parts of the UK struggle, I believe. Since the 2008 recession too, Local Authorities seem not to be funding the regular maintenance and tuning of school pianos as they formerly did.

And the piano industry in the UK, of course, is all but wiped out, save for a very small amount of artisan high-end work by the likes of Alistair Laurence. Nor are there many rebuilding workshops (some, of course, like David Winston of Period Piano).

Anyway, Nick, I am very glad to know that things are going well for you! That's good news.


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Re: Tuning tuition [Re: gevans10] #2848655
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I did this course in France just outside Bordeaux 2 years ago and can definitely recommend it. I live in Australia and it sounds like the situation is very similar to that in the UK where getting into the trade and finding mentoring can be a challenge.

I've been tuning in my spare time outside of my main job (IT) with an ETD and done about 90 paid tunings since the course. I'd love to get more into the regulating and repair side of things but this will come in time.

Craig


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