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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: 9190] #2847480
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@9190 - I tried both the Yamaha and the Kawaii...yes, the Kawaii pedals are quite tight. The Yamaha's are on the opposite end, at least on mine - quite loose, almost bordering on too much so, but they are still extremely responsive. I play on an older Bosendorfer now and then that has extremely tight pedals and I've learned that I'd rather on the looser side with a little less control than on the tighter side and having to be jamming on it.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847483
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How do we know that Amy and David aren’t working for Yamaha? wink
They’ve already convinced one member to switch from the NV10 and have several others drooling over the N1X.

P.S.

Everybody knows that CyberGene works for Yamaha, and he’s been doing a great job at that! laugh

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Everybody knows that CyberGene works for Yamaha, and he’s been doing a great job at that! laugh


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2847490
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Hahaha, I WISH I worked for Yamaha. Getting to hang around pianos all day? Sounds good to me. Way less stressful that being a psychologist specializing in trauma!

Funnily enough, I'm actually not a big Yamaha person. The brightness of the tone isn't my cup of tea - I grew up on a 1920's Mason and Hamelin, and that deep, dark, bell-like tone really shaped my preference. I play a lot of Rachmaninoff and it just works so well with that sound. If I didn't have a house full of teenagers who need to study and sleep in after a late night shift and who do NOT appreciate being awoken to the sound of the Paganini variations, I would for sure have an M&H in my house - but alas, I need headphones. While I'm warming to the sound of the Yamaha, and I have to say I'm actually really surprised at how nice it sounds in my house, the spot-on action of the N1X combined with the ability to plug in headphones sold it for me. Nothing else came close that was digital.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: 9190] #2847491
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Originally Posted by 9190
It seems that N1X will be a bestseller, and significantly surpass sales of NV10. Personally, I would choose N1X too.

Did someone compare how the pedal feels in both? I read that in Kawai it is too tight and requires user's actions to fix it. How about N1X, how it feels?


Woa, slow down. That's a bit bold and premature based on the thoughts and comments of a very few on PW in the grand scheme of things.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: jgbs] #2847492
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All of this is making me uneasy. I've had an urge to buy an NV10, and the only thing holding me is waiting for retirement in two years, moving to somewhere else, and then buying the new piano.
And now in the interim I'm tempted by the N1X.
I cannot have both ... so May 2021 is going to be a difficult time for me, trying to find and try these pianos ... and deciding which to take home.
Originally Posted by jgbs
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Ohh, we have a switcher now. jgbs, congrats and welcome! Hopefully they will be able to find one for you much earlier than September.
I hope so! But to be honest, the NV10 is great also and except the issue on some notes it will help me to wait.

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Ohh, we have a switcher now.
He's been proselytized.
That's true, even if I had in mind to test the N1X anyway.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847493
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Amy: Please report back to us in a week and let us know how the honeymoon is going for you with the N1X.

I do have an M&H "AA" and I get what you are saying on the bell-like response. Those piano's do sound unique compared to others since they are made so robustly.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: MacMacMac] #2847498
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
All of this is making me uneasy. I've had an urge to buy an NV10, and the only thing holding me is waiting for retirement in two years, moving to somewhere else, and then buying the new piano.
And now in the interim I'm tempted by the N1X.
I cannot have both ... so May 2021 is going to be a difficult time for me, trying to find and try these pianos ... and deciding which to take home

Perhaps there will be an NV20 / NV11 by then?

While the NV10 is an excellent first attempt for me the maturity of the N1X shows - the second generation Kawai should be a lot closer.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: CyberGene] #2847505
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Please take in mind the reverb level change isn’t preserved across piano restarts. Once you turn the piano off and on again it world restore the reverb level to the default value of 5. ... So your only solution is to see whether you like the sound with the reverb entirely off and at least that would be preserved.

The preferred way I use my DP is to leave it on 24x7, especially as I use a VST and it otherwise just takes too long to turn on, boot up, and start - instead, I like being able to walk over, flip on the speakers (if I even use speakers) or put on the headphones, and just play.

My FP30 doesn't draw much power when it sits quietly. I looked up the Kawai NV10 and it is 60W. I assume it also draws less when it sits quietly. But what does the N1X consume? Googling, the closest I could find to the N1X was the K300 Aures which draws 58W. Is the N1X also about that? If I could just leave my DP on all the time, then I really won't be caring much about which settings are preserved and which ones aren't. At least most of the time unless I'm forced to restart the DP.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: MacMacMac] #2847509
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Originally Posted by Amy C
Hahaha, I WISH I worked for Yamaha. Getting to hang around pianos all day? Sounds good to me. Way less stressful that being a psychologist specializing in trauma!


Originally Posted by MacMacMac
All of this is making me uneasy... so May 2021 is going to be a difficult time for me, trying to find and try these pianos ... and deciding which to take home.


Don't worry MacMac, now that we have a resident psychologist on the forum, Amy can help you cope with the stress thus reducing the trauma of this upcoming experience. smile

Let's take up a forum offering to go towards MacMac's counseling sessions. Maybe Amy will give forum members a discount. smile

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847517
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So no one has chosen to contest my claim that "I cannot have both" ? smile

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847519
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I am very tempted by the N1X, particularly after seeing and hearing the wonderful playing by the pianists on this thread. It seems like a wonderful instrument. I like the fact that the AvantGrand series has been around since 2009 and has a proven track record.

I have a couple of questions I was wondering if anyone could help me with:

1. Do you anticipate a sale on the N1X around Black Friday? Has that happened in the past with the N1?

2. How are the keytops compared to the Ivorite used on the N2 or N3/N3X? Is there a noticeable difference?

Thanks for any input you can offer!


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847522
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I've seen Black Friday sales for digitals from retailers, but Yamaha typically subsidies sales at year end (Christmas to New Years) on their hybrids and acoustics.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2847533
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
Please take in mind the reverb level change isn’t preserved across piano restarts. Once you turn the piano off and on again it world restore the reverb level to the default value of 5. ... So your only solution is to see whether you like the sound with the reverb entirely off and at least that would be preserved.

The preferred way I use my DP is to leave it on 24x7, especially as I use a VST and it otherwise just takes too long to turn on, boot up, and start - instead, I like being able to walk over, flip on the speakers (if I even use speakers) or put on the headphones, and just play.

My FP30 doesn't draw much power when it sits quietly. I looked up the Kawai NV10 and it is 60W. I assume it also draws less when it sits quietly. But what does the N1X consume? Googling, the closest I could find to the N1X was the K300 Aures which draws 58W. Is the N1X also about that? If I could just leave my DP on all the time, then I really won't be caring much about which settings are preserved and which ones aren't. At least most of the time unless I'm forced to restart the DP.


I guess that when it sits quitly it draws peanuts either NV10 or N1X

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X – Hands On [Re: Grandman] #2847534
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Originally Posted by Amy C
@9190 - I tried both the Yamaha and the Kawaii...yes, the Kawaii pedals are quite tight. The Yamaha's are on the opposite end, at least on mine - quite loose, almost bordering on too much so, but they are still extremely responsive. I play on an older Bosendorfer now and then that has extremely tight pedals and I've learned that I'd rather on the looser side with a little less control than on the tighter side and having to be jamming on it.

Thanks, Amy. Could you clarify. If you rest your foot in a shoe on the pedal, will the pedal start to move down a little?

One more question about pedal. If I remember correctly, some of previous generation AvantGrand models had a bug when holding a chord and making repedaling was exaggerating the sound. Is it fixed in N1X?

Originally Posted by Grandman
Originally Posted by 9190
It seems that N1X will be a bestseller, and significantly surpass sales of NV10. Personally, I would choose N1X too.
Woa, slow down. That's a bit bold and premature based on the thoughts and comments of a very few on PW in the grand scheme of things.

Just remember this post, wink thoughts from which based not just on few PW forum member messages.

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X – Hands On [Re: David B] #2847569
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Mac'ster: Go for it. Then you would have the Kawai and Yammer/Bosendorfer samples. Why not? You live only once and cannot take it with you.

The better excuse: I want to leave my grandkids something to remember me by!


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I tried to play around with mic position a little bit today and it has become obvious (to me) that I cannot duplicate what I'm hearing with the two mics I have. I tried moving the mics closer to my ears, but I just can't capture the texture and nuances of the CFX multi-channel sample. Moving the mics closer to my ears I think improves the recording a bit, but unfortunately, now you can hear more keys noise.

Here is a song from earlier on in the Duane Shinn Course recorded that same way as before except with the mics closer to my ears in the hope of capturing a sound that is closer to what I hear. Clearly this method of recording a digital piano is not ideal and it's not going to replace recording via a direct audio interface connection, but I was curious to see what it would sound like. My curiosity has been abated now.



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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: 9190] #2847597
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@9190 - Yes, the pedal will move down - but it won't engage, though, until you have pressed down a good bit more. I don't know how much that is true across all the N1x's, but it is true for mine.

David, I don't think you captured the sound entirely unfaithfully! I think It's pretty close - I wonder if part of the issue is that the N1X has a tendency to sound very "clean" as it is, and then the mics on top of that smooth out the remaining texture and nuance that we can hear in person.

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Originally Posted by Amy C
David, I don't think you captured the sound entirely unfaithfully! I think It's pretty close - I wonder if part of the issue is that the N1X has a tendency to sound very "clean" as it is, and then the mics on top of that smooth out the remaining texture and nuance that we can hear in person.


I think that's a good point.

Also, I'm trying to compare what I hear when I play, which is 4-Channel multi sampling (spread out over 6 speakers), to the recorded sound which is a simple 2-channel stereo reproduction. There are probably other factors as well that I'm not smart enough to understand.

I feel like the N1X delivers a very satisfying sound through the internal speakers. The amazing binaural sample through headphones is on an entirely other level.

God Bless,
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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2847607
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Originally Posted by David B
I tried to play around with mic position a little bit today and it has become obvious (to me) that I cannot duplicate what I'm hearing with the two mics I have. I tried moving the mics closer to my ears, but I just can't capture the texture and nuances of the CFX multi-channel sample. Moving the mics closer to my ears I think improves the recording a bit, but unfortunately, now you can hear more keys noise.

Here is a song from earlier on in the Duane Shinn Course recorded that same way as before except with the mics closer to my ears in the hope of capturing a sound that is closer to what I hear. Clearly this method of recording a digital piano is not ideal and it's not going to replace recording via a direct audio interface connection, but I was curious to see what it would sound like. My curiosity has been abated now.


God Bless,
David





To my ear, this second recording has a crispier, cleaner sound compared to your first one. To be honest, after hearing Amy's video, I was surprised about your first one, as it almost sound muffled in comparison. This 2nd one brings to my ear that crisp, clean sound that might lack the strings resonance fiesta of an acoustic, but that I absolutely love.

Tomorrow I'll go (again) at the Yamaha showroom to try the piano because this forum is not having a good effect on me and it compels me to be willing to try that thing again just because I want to compare it to these 3 recordings. I hate you and I love you all laugh

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