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As someone who learned two instruments to a high level (piano and voice), I must admit that it's very difficult to maintain at that level. I often find myself choosing to focus on one, and then the other. And then fit composing in the rotisserie as well.

However, I do think it depends on the individual. I love doing both and could never give one up for the other. There's just not enough braincells and time to do both to the level I want to.


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I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

Instead of cello I picked up flute last month and this far I'm enjoying it a lot! It's perfect size to take with me anywhere I go and the sound is beautiful... Or should I say the sound will be beautiful in the future grin


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I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

Instead of cello I picked up flute last month and this far I'm enjoying it a lot! It's perfect size to take with me anywhere I go and the sound is beautiful... Or should I say the sound will be beautiful in the future grin


Just a quick comment, classical guitar strings, which are made of nylon or silver wrapped nylon, do not cause the formation of calluses like steel strings. I had calluses when I played the violin. I’ve played the classical guitars for nine years and my fingertips are soft. I put aloe vera on my hands every night. Now, the fingernails on the right hand can be a problem on the piano but some classical guitarists play without nails.


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I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

Instead of cello I picked up flute last month and this far I'm enjoying it a lot! It's perfect size to take with me anywhere I go and the sound is beautiful... Or should I say the sound will be beautiful in the future grin


Just a quick comment, classical guitar strings, which are made of nylon or silver wrapped nylon, do not cause the formation of calluses like steel strings. I had calluses when I played the violin. I’ve played the classical guitars for nine years and my fingertips are soft. I put aloe vera on my hands every night. Now, the fingernails on the right hand can be a problem on the piano but some classical guitarists play without nails.


Oh I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. I played acoustic guitar.


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I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

Instead of cello I picked up flute last month and this far I'm enjoying it a lot! It's perfect size to take with me anywhere I go and the sound is beautiful... Or should I say the sound will be beautiful in the future grin


Just a quick comment, classical guitar strings, which are made of nylon or silver wrapped nylon, do not cause the formation of calluses like steel strings. I had calluses when I played the violin. I’ve played the classical guitars for nine years and my fingertips are soft. I put aloe vera on my hands every night. Now, the fingernails on the right hand can be a problem on the piano but some classical guitarists play without nails.


Oh I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. I played acoustic guitar.


Classical guitars are acoustic guitars too. :-) You mean steel stringed acoustic guitars. No need for apologies.

There is a funny story about Groucho Marx and Segovia. Groucho played the guitar, steel stringed, and he loved Segovia’s playing. Both Groucho and Segovia were living in Los Angeles so Groucho kept asking Segovia to dinner. Segovia finally relented and said he would come, as long as he didn’t have to play. Groucho said ok.

So, on the night of the dinner, Groucho walked around with a Gibson steel stringed guitar under each arm, the guitars were brand new and Groucho was proud of them. At one point, he said to Segovia, could you take one of these guitars, they’re killing me! Segovia took a guitar, plucked a few chords and handed it back, saying the guitar was unplayable! Segovia had never played on steel strings, it was always either gut strings in the early days or nylon strings.

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I played acoustic guitar for a bit and was told I needed to develop calluses. I’m female and have thin skin. The calluses were on their way to developing, through blood and pain, but I quit shortly after. Piano is much less painful for me.

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Let me just say that I admire people who take up the cello as an adult - keep it up.

But it is difficult to make a satisfying sound. I go to summer music camp every summer. I have been going for nine years. The beginning pianists at the camp sound very good. The beginning cellists - nails on blackboard. Cringe-worthy. It's the intonation. It doesn't bother some people, but it just drives me nuts. I don't know how many years it takes to sound good, but much longer that it takes with most other instruments.

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I think rowers, or scullers, are the most masochistic people in terms of forming blisters, calluses, and for shredding their hands in general. I bought special sculling gloves and never had a blister, on the water or on the ergometer. The rowers I met took pride in having bloody wounds that would not heal, and has huge calluses. I found one guy who had some sense about it and wore gloves, he was gay, and he said he didn’t want to touch his partner with hands that felt like sandpaper! I guess the partners of the heterosexuals worked hard to not be touched by their partners, lol.

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Well, I might be in trouble then...I had also forgotten that I suffered as a teen when playing electric guitar because I have a type of skin that does not really harden or form calluses. I have to wear gloves a lot. Maybe I will have to use them for cello playing too smile

Then again, I sometimes have to wear protective plaster in piano playing too, because the side of my thumb gets irritated by the piano key edges.

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Originally Posted by Meria
I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

I was in a piano store in December trying out some of the pianos. A salesman who was both a pianist and a guitarist was helping me. At some point, I thought there was a defect in one of the digital pianos which had a haptic feature (where you feel the strings through the keys) and ask the salesperson to also check it and comment. He said he couldn't because he doesn't feel string vibrations through his guitar calluses. shocked shocked shocked


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When I returned to piano, seven years ago, I believed that piano would become the main part of my musical life. I considered myself a pianoplayer. Singing in a chorus seemed to be just a kind of minor sidekick. Some years later I picked up alto recorder as my third instrument. The first steps were really hard for me. Intonation was quite challenging and often very frustrating for me,coming from voice and piano. After a while things worked out. In the same time my chorus projects became more demanding and interesting, piano playing as well. Sometimes, singing consumes a huge amount of my time and energy. Next time it is the piano or the recorder, which is especially demanding. When I started playing the recorder, I was afraid that things would work out exactly this way and that my being a pianoplayer would come into danger. And it did. Surprisingly I'm quite comfortable with this fact, because I realized, that Im not a pianoplayer, but I'm a musician.

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Well, I might be in trouble then...I had also forgotten that I suffered as a teen when playing electric guitar because I have a type of skin that does not really harden or form calluses. I have to wear gloves a lot. Maybe I will have to use them for cello playing too smile

Then again, I sometimes have to wear protective plaster in piano playing too, because the side of my thumb gets irritated by the piano key edges.


Haha the sides of my thumb gets red and irritated by the tops of the piano keys, not even the edges.


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I love the sound of cello and I thought for years that I'd love to learn to play it. I tried cello this spring and instantly realized that it would not work for me. I don't want my fingertips to harden because it would mess my piano playing. That's the reason I gave up guitar few years back (I only played guitar for a year or so). Somehow I had forgotten that. There is lots of people who play both and hardened fingertips don't bother them, so it's not a deal breaker for everyone. If you have passion to play cello, go for it and enjoy the amazing sound of the beautiful instrument.

Instead of cello I picked up flute last month and this far I'm enjoying it a lot! It's perfect size to take with me anywhere I go and the sound is beautiful... Or should I say the sound will be beautiful in the future grin


Just a quick comment, classical guitar strings, which are made of nylon or silver wrapped nylon, do not cause the formation of calluses like steel strings. I had calluses when I played the violin. I’ve played the classical guitars for nine years and my fingertips are soft. I put aloe vera on my hands every night. Now, the fingernails on the right hand can be a problem on the piano but some classical guitarists play without nails.


Oh I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. I played acoustic guitar.


Classical guitars are acoustic guitars too. :-) You mean steel stringed acoustic guitars. No need for apologies.


I'm used to call (well, not just me but other people too, just in case someone decides to tell me that I shouldn't start calling instruments whatever I want) steel stringed acoustic guitars "acoustic guitar" and nylon stringed "classical guitar" but yes, of course both are acoustics.


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I don’t mean to belabor the point. I just think a lot of people aren’t aware that you can play a guitar without getting awful calluses on your fingers, that there are guitars that don’t have steel strings. The classical guitar is, in some ways, a neglected instrument, but it has a beautiful sound and, in the hands of good player, can be moving. Classical guitarists pluck, and, generally speaking, don’t strum.

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I don’t mean to belabor the point. I just think a lot of people aren’t aware that you can play a guitar without getting awful calluses on your fingers, that there are guitars that don’t have steel strings. The classical guitar is, in some ways, a neglected instrument, but it has a beautiful sound and, in the hands of good player, can be moving. Classical guitarists pluck, and, generally speaking, don’t strum.


I wasn't playing with steel strings. As I said, I'm a female with thin skin. I got bloody and was starting to develop calluses. The pressure from pressing on the nylon(?) strings over and over, when changing chords, was enough to do that. And the plucking was also the same. I'd love for you to feel my hands, maybe you would understand. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard either. Some of us just have really thin and fragile skin.

My best friend was adamant that she had very thin hair (each strand). And I said, no you don't, "I" have very thin hair. She compared her hair to mine, and agreed. Hers was MUCH thicker. But she concluded that she had very thin hair because she compared her hair to her father, who indeed had much thicker hair than she did. His was as thick as a wire. Everything is relative.


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I don’t mean to belabor the point. I just think a lot of people aren’t aware that you can play a guitar without getting awful calluses on your fingers, that there are guitars that don’t have steel strings. The classical guitar is, in some ways, a neglected instrument, but it has a beautiful sound and, in the hands of good player, can be moving. Classical guitarists pluck, and, generally speaking, don’t strum.


I wasn't playing with steel strings. As I said, I'm a female with thin skin. I got bloody and was starting to develop calluses. The pressure from pressing on the nylon(?) strings over and over, when changing chords, was enough to do that. And the plucking was also the same. I'd love for you to feel my hands, maybe you would understand. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard either. Some of us just have really thin and fragile skin.

My best friend was adamant that she had very thin hair (each strand). And I said, no you don't, "I" have very thin hair. She compared her hair to mine, and agreed. Hers was MUCH thicker. But she concluded that she had very thin hair because she compared her hair to her father, who indeed had much thicker hair than she did. His was as thick as a wire. Everything is relative.


Interesting, I believe you. I guess the guitar is not for you. Steel strings would hurt you even more. On classical guitars, the three higher pitched strings are nylon, while the three lower pitched strings are wound strings of silver plated copper or bronze over a nylon core.


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I don’t mean to belabor the point. I just think a lot of people aren’t aware that you can play a guitar without getting awful calluses on your fingers, that there are guitars that don’t have steel strings. The classical guitar is, in some ways, a neglected instrument, but it has a beautiful sound and, in the hands of good player, can be moving. Classical guitarists pluck, and, generally speaking, don’t strum.


I wasn't playing with steel strings. As I said, I'm a female with thin skin. I got bloody and was starting to develop calluses. The pressure from pressing on the nylon(?) strings over and over, when changing chords, was enough to do that. And the plucking was also the same. I'd love for you to feel my hands, maybe you would understand. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard either. Some of us just have really thin and fragile skin.

My best friend was adamant that she had very thin hair (each strand). And I said, no you don't, "I" have very thin hair. She compared her hair to mine, and agreed. Hers was MUCH thicker. But she concluded that she had very thin hair because she compared her hair to her father, who indeed had much thicker hair than she did. His was as thick as a wire. Everything is relative.


Interesting, I believe you. I guess the guitar is not for you. Steel strings would hurt you even more. On classical guitars, the three higher pitched strings are nylon, while the three lower pitched strings are wound strings of silver plated copper or bronze over a nylon core.


It’s very unfortunate actually but at least I’ve got the piano, woodwinds and percussion instruments. I just hope I don’t develop arthritis!


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I don’t mean to belabor the point. I just think a lot of people aren’t aware that you can play a guitar without getting awful calluses on your fingers, that there are guitars that don’t have steel strings. The classical guitar is, in some ways, a neglected instrument, but it has a beautiful sound and, in the hands of good player, can be moving. Classical guitarists pluck, and, generally speaking, don’t strum.


I wasn't playing with steel strings. As I said, I'm a female with thin skin. I got bloody and was starting to develop calluses. The pressure from pressing on the nylon(?) strings over and over, when changing chords, was enough to do that. And the plucking was also the same. I'd love for you to feel my hands, maybe you would understand. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard either. Some of us just have really thin and fragile skin.

My best friend was adamant that she had very thin hair (each strand). And I said, no you don't, "I" have very thin hair. She compared her hair to mine, and agreed. Hers was MUCH thicker. But she concluded that she had very thin hair because she compared her hair to her father, who indeed had much thicker hair than she did. His was as thick as a wire. Everything is relative.


Interesting, I believe you. I guess the guitar is not for you. Steel strings would hurt you even more. On classical guitars, the three higher pitched strings are nylon, while the three lower pitched strings are wound strings of silver plated copper or bronze over a nylon core.


Just to add my bit… I also used to have calluses when playing classical (nylon strings) guitar. They were probably not as hard as the calluses I would have got if I'd played steel string guitar, but still, they were calluses. I'm yet to pick up my classical guitar again and see if I can redevelop those skills at the same time as trying to learn the piano. I'm worried the longer fingernails on the right hand would be a problem on the piano… but I do absolutely love the sound of the classical guitar!

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Here is a way to play guitar without callouses.... turn the piano into a guitar (piano improvisation transmogrified to Spanish guitar)...

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