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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847006
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Just my humble opinion here but to the inexperienced piano shopper, new piano prices are quite shocking. On one of the YouTube videos showing a Yamaha, Bosendorfer, and a Steinway, the Steinway was the median home price in the USA. In Norbert’s example, he can stay in the $500,000 home and buy the Steinway and still keep cash for other things. Or maybe keep the 1/2 mil home and open an entire Hailun studio in the finished garage.
As I glance through the Piano Buyers pricing database, when I see a brand whose pricing seems reasonable, it’s a crappy stencil brand. All of my dream pianos are a quarter million. A quarter million! I quietly give a little appreciative pat to my Yamaha as I walk by. I paid cash so it’s all mine.


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847008
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A rule from used-car buying may be appropriate here: If it needs work, the seller should get the work done. If the scratches can be buffed out, why hasn't the seller buffed them out?

Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847131
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If the scratches can be buffed out, why hasn't the seller buffed them out?


To justify their "discount" on pricing. I know dealers who put scratches on every second piano in their showroom.
"Perception is reality" It works every single time.

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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847233
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I cannot even imagine any of the reputable dealers in Vancouver who would deliberately scratch there expensive pianos.Well perhaps when I was looking for a piano no one was scratching !
I never saw any scratched pianos.
Perhaps Norbert did not mean Vancouver?

Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847262
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Perhaps this happened a few years ago ???
Canadian piano dealers, I think are on the whole trustworthy


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: Norbert] #2847272
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Originally Posted by Norbert
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If the scratches can be buffed out, why hasn't the seller buffed them out?


To justify their "discount" on pricing. I know dealers who put scratches on every second piano in their showroom.
"Perception is reality" It works every single time.

Norbert tired

Or in my case brought a scratch to my attention on a brand new $42,000 Blüthner I was buying
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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847355
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There were no "great "discounts going when we bought either. We were able to trade in a previously bought Yamaha U1 at the full
value we bought at the store towards the Sauter.
We chose the floor model which had been there a few months
rather than a newly arrived one from the warehouse.
With the price we could have bought a grand to replace our old
Kawai grand.That piano however was irreplaceable as it was a
gift from my parents.Besides I know longer need a grand I am retired from teaching.





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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: Norbert] #2847371
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Originally Posted by Norbert
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If the scratches can be buffed out, why hasn't the seller buffed them out?


To justify their "discount" on pricing. I know dealers who put scratches on every second piano in their showroom.
"Perception is reality" It works every single time.

Norbert tired

Norbert - how does that work? Does the factory give the dealer a “scratch and dent” discount so he can pass some of the savings to the customer and keep a few extra dollars on the sale? Otherwise, why would anyone scratch a new piano?


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847375
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My mother trained me well. I was having trouble typing the words “scratching a new piano”. It makes me shudder. It’s like “keying a new car”. It hurts to even think about that.


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847424
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Yes but the terrible thought of dealer
doing it deliberately makes one shudder !

Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: Lady Bird] #2847446
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Yes but the terrible thought of dealer
doing it deliberately makes one shudder !


Yes, that is really sickening!


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: opus64] #2847462
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That is not a lightly used piano. The sustain pedal has a hole in it.


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Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: Learux] #2847512
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Originally Posted by Learux
That is not a lightly used piano. The sustain pedal has a hole in it.

Haha, not a hole, but the brass has been polished a bit from where the foot contacts it. It did look like a hole at first, but I've never seen a hole in the sustain pedal from use.

Re: Buying first grand and torn, thoughts? [Re: AaronSF] #2847586
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Thank you all for your posts! I read this a little late but I have reached out to the Madison WI dealer. The 'scratched' B was sold, however I think I am now closer to making a choice.

First, I did find another dealer 2 hours away that is giving me a really good deal(even better than the 'scratched' B) on a new B, this one looks truly new, it is intact. The action is great, however, to be honest it didn't really wow me in terms of sound when I played it, and I am having real trouble in my city finding a tech to go look at pianos let alone one that is 2 hours away. Nothing other than tuning has been done to it, so it could very well be that once it is serviced it will sound great. Here are some pics if anyone is interested:
New Steinway B

However, I continued shopping, playing and even recording all the pianos I could find. I went back to play all the restored Steinways which impressed me the first time. I found that I was still very impressed by how they sound and play, even comparing them to brand new Steinways and other brands. However, there was one piano in particular that really stood out, I think it has such a beautiful sound, it is my favorite. It is a 1925 Steinway B which has been completely restored.

I'm so in love with the sound that I am almost ready to pull the trigger but there is one thing I wanted to ask others about. This particular piano has significantly wider sharps that I am used to. I found that it is much harder to reach in between the black keys and I do not have particularly wide fingers. I have heard that this is not uncommon of this era piano. The rebuilder offered to reshape the sharps which are the original ebony and have been restored(the whites have been replaced).

Has anyone experienced this before and in your experience is it something that one can get used to? I'm a little hesitant to change the original keyboard geometry but it will be easier to do it now than after it is in my home 2 hours away.

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