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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
Stef London #2847011 05/10/19 09:27 AM
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Frankly, I would visit some stores and listen to some monitors and choose the models that sound best to you with piano music, independent of size. Bring some music on your phone and a cable to the store if you can't connect a MIDI keyboard for testing purposes. Best option is to try at home so maybe some stores have a generous return/trial policy.

Larger drivers might provide better low frequency response but that is not always the case. And you can boost bass by moving the monitors closer to a corner or a wall; of course that may irritate the neighbours more. And you may find some of the larger speakers are physically huge in your room.

IME subwoofers take a lot time to learn how to measure and setup to properly integrate with monitors. I have never been able to integrate small, inexpensive subwoofers (although I certainly have tried). Subwoofers are expensive and time consuming to setup and I can imagine the low frequencies irritating apartment neighbours.

Garritan CFX has very little low frequency information with just my huge sub playing but it does offer a subtle visceral sensation of the Abbey Roads room. That said, subwoofers are awesome for listening to CDs, watching action movies, and playing Hauptwerks organs.

Scientifically speaking, a properly setup subwoofer in my room might increase Garritan CFX piano audio fun by 20% and Hauptwerk pipe organ fun by 1000%+.

You can search my older posts on for different opinions as my audio views change with the wind lol.

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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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Scientifically speaking, a properly setup subwoofer in my room might increase Garritan CFX piano audio fun by 20% and Hauptwerk pipe organ fun by 1000%+.

You can search my older posts on for different opinions as my audio views change with the wind lol.

Yes, the fun function is very variable. (Economists are talking about the utility function) But as Philosobyte said, the spectrum of the piano is low at lower frequency. At the lowest frequency, 27Hz, the level is 1% of the total energy (-20dB compared with the total power), and the second partial near 4%, near -14dB). However, the spectrum range of the pipe organ will make the subwoofer interesting.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
Stef London #2847100 05/10/19 01:14 PM
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I have a pair of Adam Audio T7V monitors.
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May I ask you which monitors do you have?

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I like the idea of going with the 5 and add a sub as needed.
I think it's a much more dangerous way than going with bigger monitors. There is a significant chance that a sub won't fit your room acoustics and will bring frequency disbalance that you won't like at all.
I just think it's a waste of money. Why buy three speakers when two will do?

And five inchers? Where's the beef? I just don't like itty-bitty speakers.

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Did Behringer solve the "radio problem" with these speakers?
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I’ve been using Behringer Truth 2031 monitors for years. I think the current model is 2031a.

Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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Did Behringer solve the "radio problem" with these speakers?



Fortunately, I've never had this problem, so I don't know.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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As long as the sub has adjustable frequency and volume it should be fine shouldn't it ?

A sub is more sensitive to room acoustics than near-filed monitors, its sound can easily become boomy and for piano sound it's IMO a disaster.

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M audio BX5 D3 are good little monitors for the price. Worth checking out.

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Stef London #2848106 05/14/19 01:46 PM
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Thanks everyone for your inputs.

I think I'm gonna buy 7 inches speakers. A separate sub, even in a second time, would add an extra layer of complexity that I really don't need.

I just need to decide if Yamaha HS7 or Adam T7V.

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Originally Posted by Stef London
Thanks everyone for your inputs.

I think I'm gonna buy 7 inches speakers. A separate sub, even in a second time, would add an extra layer of complexity that I really don't need.

I just need to decide if Yamaha HS7 or Adam T7V.

The Yamaha HS series is known to be bass-light. The Adam T7V would be my choice out of the two.

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You've probably already bought something by now, but I think that 5" would be fine, I have a pair of Genelec 8010 studio monitors which have a tiny 3" woofer and a response down to 67 Hz (@-6dB) (presumably achieved via digital equalization) and find them fine for bass for the player.
I auditioned a number of other 5" studio monitors including the Yamaha HS5 when I bought these and thought they were fine for bass too. 7" will be better, but unless you are performing in a larger space i don't think that you'd need the SPL or bass capabilities of a larger driver. Better to get a better quality smaller speaker.
By the way I was very impressed with the HS5 for digital piano and these would have been my choice for a lower budget speaker.


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Originally Posted by Philosobyte
Originally Posted by Stef London
Thanks everyone for your inputs.

I think I'm gonna buy 7 inches speakers. A separate sub, even in a second time, would add an extra layer of complexity that I really don't need.

I just need to decide if Yamaha HS7 or Adam T7V.

The Yamaha HS series is known to be bass-light. The Adam T7V would be my choice out of the two.
How is that "known"?

I own a pair of Yamaha HS8s, and they certainly have a lot of bass, almost too much for the room I use them in. I haven't tried these specific monitors yet with a keyboard, synth or digital piano though, so I can't say if they are good for that purpose. (FWIW someone here recommended the Adam T7V to me a few months ago, when I asked about they think are suitable monitors to use with synths/keyboards/digital pianos).

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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
Stef London #2956369 03/11/20 12:31 PM
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If you can afford Adam AX-series of the same size as Yamaha, then no doubt go with Adam.
Adam with smaller woofer is not worth the price premium compared to a bigger woofer Yamaha, especially for piano IMHO.
Smaller woofer Adam might still be a better option for more complex music with fast attack, instrument separation, etc.
And if you want organ, then the bigger woofer the better.

I.e. for us piano lovers:
A8X >> HS8,
A7X < HS8,
A7X >> HS7,
A5X < HS7.

IMHO, 8" (mid)woofers have much better bass below 50Hz than 7", but Yamahas are rear ported (Adam has ports and controls in front, which makes it easier to place properly).

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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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But the piano doesn’t produce strong partials below 50Hz. The lowest C, near 32Hz have a fundamental which emits only 1% of the sound power. If the speakers get rid of this partial, only 1% will be stripped out.

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I have heard conflicting opinions about how big woofers are needed for Piano VSTs. Some claim that 7" is plenty as Piano is not heavy bass instrument. Some claim that 8" or larger are better..

I am curious if anyone has experimented with both with Piano VSTs and have any opinions?

Originally Posted by VladK

I.e. for us piano lovers:
A8X >> HS8,
A7X < HS8,
A7X >> HS7,
A5X < HS7.

IMHO, 8" (mid)woofers have much better bass below 50Hz than 7", but Yamahas are rear ported (Adam has ports and controls in front, which makes it easier to place properly).

Do you have any opinions on how the Adam Audio T7v compare vs. A7X/HS7 or A8X/HS8?

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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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Do you have any opinions on how the Adam Audio T7v compare vs. A7X/HS7 or A8X/HS8?
Osho

I've never tried T series, sorry.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches?
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I don't have any 7" monitor nearby at the moment, but just compared 5" and 8" - the sound difference for lowest keys is HUGE. I would say that 5" might be acceptable if you do not play the lower (first) octave or so.

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The Yamaha HS series is known to be bass-light.
How is that "known"?

I own a pair of Yamaha HS8s, and they certainly have a lot of bass, almost too much for the room I use them in. I haven't tried these specific monitors yet with a keyboard, synth or digital piano though, so I can't say if they are good for that purpose. (FWIW someone here recommended the Adam T7V to me a few months ago, when I asked about they think are suitable monitors to use with synths/keyboards/digital pianos).

The HS8’s are very good monitors. The sense in which the HS series is bass-light is that for each monitor in the HS line, there are competing monitors from other manufacturers with comparable bass produced from smaller diameter drivers.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
As long as the sub has adjustable frequency and volume it should be fine shouldn't it ?

A sub is more sensitive to room acoustics than near-filed monitors, its sound can easily become boomy and for piano sound it's IMO a disaster.

Yes, in a small room, standing waves from room resonance can become a problem, and room treatments using bass traps can become necessary.

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