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Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? #2846755
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Hi all.

I'm willing to improve my Kawai MP7SE setup adding studio monitors just for practicing and I'm wondering if 5 inches are enough or buy 7 inches ones. I've been using mostly headphones.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846761
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I would keep using headphones.

If you start putting monitors on it, it can be a never ending effort to find ones that sound "good" (like your headphones already do).


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How big is the room, and how much noise can you make without disturbing family or neighborhood?

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I will keep using the headphones but it's nice practising without them sometimes. I'm doing already with a very improper speaker so I'm thinking to buy something appropriate.

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I live by myself but neighbours wouldn't like too much noise from my flat.
Room is 5x3 metres.

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I have been trying for years to find something "good".

These are my latest …..

Edifier R1850DB Active Bookshelf Speakers

No …. they are not the most expensive you can find.

However, I enjoy the sound from them more than my more expensive Focal monitors.

Good Luck


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: dmd] #2846776
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Thanks Don, I'll check them out.
They are 4 inches, is it right?

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Originally Posted by Stef London
Thanks Don, I'll check them out.
They are 4 inches, is it right?


Yes


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846795
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I will refer to my post in this thread for details: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...6p-vs-308p-for-pianoteq.html#Post2838198
If the speakers you are looking at are in the same series, then don't bother getting the larger version.

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Originally Posted by Stef London
I live by myself but neighbours wouldn't like too much noise from my flat.
Room is 5x3 metres.


Then I'd go for 5. I don't mean 7 or 8 wouldn't be good according to personal taste. But 5 enough for me, and the room and peace with neighbours.

Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846811
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Originally Posted by Stef London
I live by myself but neighbours wouldn't like too much noise from my flat.
Room is 5x3 metres.

I have the same size of room and I use 5,15" monitors which are right enough.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846823
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7 or 8 inches are much better than 5 in my opinion, you'll get the real bass with them.
I think relations with neighbors mostly depend on volume, not the size of the speakers.

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I'd go for the bigger monitors.

I don't agree with this ...
Originally Posted by dmd
I would keep using headphones. If you start putting monitors on it, it can be a never ending effort to find ones that sound "good" (like your headphones already do).
My experience was exactly the opposite.
For years I was trying and trying and trying to improve the sound.
New amplifier.
Equalizers.
New speakers.
More new speakers.
Still more new speakers.

Well, the monitors put an end to the trying.
The piano now sounds superb. I'm satisfied with speakers for the first time.
I still use headphones for the privacy. But I use speakers more than ever before.

Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846830
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Go with the 5, if you decide you need more buy a sub-woofer. I have a 10 inch sub and two 4.5 inch satellites in my Roland CM-220 system. I have another setup with two JBL LSR-308's. I find myself using the Roland way more, both sound great. The 308's are just too big and placement was difficult. The Roland system was much easier to setup, they fit on two standard mic stands with the weighted bases. The 308's required much bigger stands. And when I'm playing recorded music or plugging my bass or a synth into it the subwoofer has a lot more balls.

I also own a set of Alesis 5 inch monitors, for just acoustic piano sounds they work great. I only bought the bigger systems for synth, organ and bass. If I had to do it all over, I would have either bought the 5 inch JBL and added a sub or just bought a sub for the Alesis speakers.


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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: MacMacMac] #2846835
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I like the idea of going with the 5 and add a sub as needed.

Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Well, the monitors put an end to the trying.

May I ask you which monitors do you have?

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Re: Active studio monitor for practicing: 5 or 7 inches? [Re: Stef London] #2846939
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Originally Posted by Stef London
I like the idea of going with the 5 and add a sub as needed.

I think it's a much more dangerous way than going with bigger monitors. There is a significant chance that a sub won't fit your room acoustics and will bring frequency disbalance that you won't like at all.

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As long as the sub has adjustable frequency and volume it should be fine shouldn't it ?

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I tend to think getting the largest woofer in your normal speakers is the best way to get decent bass, and if you're going to get a sub after that, get one or two that're meant to be paired with your specific speakers, or at least the same brand.

I've been perfectly happy with 5" speakers, but I didn't care about feeling any bass using them, and in fact didn't want it in their case. If you want the bass feeling, the larger the better. If you're concerned about the neighbors, you don't want larger speakers.


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I’ve been using Behringer Truth 2031 monitors for years. I think the current model is 2031a. Terrific monitors and not terribly expensive.

I recently discovered something about monitor placement. In the past I have tried to mount them at approximately ear level. That works fine. But I never really liked having them that high and recently tried them on the floor under my keyboard. They sounded really flat with that placement, until I tilted them up as shown in the photo. Now they sound great, as good as ear level placement, without being so visually obvious.

Apparently the treble is much more directional than I had realized, and tilting them made all the difference.


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I disagree with the idea that larger studio monitors = more unhappy neighbors.
5-inch studio monitors like the JBL LSR305p have more than enough volume to damage your hearing permanently. You would never use the full volume of 5-inch speakers unless you're sitting, say, twenty feet away, which near-field studio monitors aren't designed for.

The primary benefit of larger studio monitors is slightly better low-frequency response (emphasis on slightly). The difference is so slight that it would be very difficult for neighbors to notice at a given volume.

Sub placement is no different from the problem of monitor placement. Low frequencies tend to bounce around the room and cancel each other out, causing dips and peaks in their response. This applies to both subs and studio monitors. The reason people notice it more often on subs is they often turn the bass up well past neutral. If done right, a sub should only make a subtle difference to the sound, because most classical/piano music don't have much content <100Hz to begin with. Anything more than a subtle change and you probably added too much bass. If you were dealing with music with more low frequency content, like pop/EDM, then you would notice a larger difference.

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