2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.9 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Petrof Pianos
Petrof Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Who's Online Now
46 members (b4xter, Amusingprofessor, ChrisGoesPiano, anotherscott, 1957, Alex C, clothearednincompo, Boboulus, 11 invisible), 421 guests, and 407 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846510 05/08/19 04:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
Many options can get rid of ground loops :
1/ plain MIDI (DIN5) instead of a direct connection (MIDI plugs are associated with opto isolators).

2/ Ground loop filter on the audio path (Behringer HD400 or similar filter).

3/ Ground loop filter on the USB link (https://www.amazon.com/Audio-iDefender3-0-Ground-Loop-Eliminator/dp/B01N3XKOLG)


Yamaha CLP150, Bechstein Digital Grand, Garritan CFX, Ivory II pianos, Galaxy pianos, EWQL Pianos, Native-Instrument The Definitive Piano Collection, Soniccouture Hammersmith, Truekeys, Pianoteq
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846514 05/08/19 04:34 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,440
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,440
I don’t believe there’s ground loop on using USB cable only which is what we suggested. Unless you decided to use both USB and audio which doesn’t make any sense.


My YouTube, My Soundcloud
Currently: Yamaha N1X, DIY hybrid controller -> Garritan CFX
Previously: NU1X, ES7, MP6, CA63, RD-700SX, CDP-100, FP-5, P90, SP-200
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
Frédéric L #2846543 05/08/19 06:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Many options can get rid of ground loops :
1/ plain MIDI (DIN5) instead of a direct connection (MIDI plugs are associated with opto isolators).

2/ Ground loop filter on the audio path (Behringer HD400 or similar filter).

3/ Ground loop filter on the USB link (https://www.amazon.com/Audio-iDefender3-0-Ground-Loop-Eliminator/dp/B01N3XKOLG)

how would the Behringer work? would it need to be connected between the DP and PC along with the normal USB connection?
this stuff sort of confuses me haha


[Insert sophisticated and meaningful quote here]
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846551 05/08/19 06:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 9,697
9000 Post Club Member
Offline
9000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 9,697
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Many options can get rid of ground loops :
1/ plain MIDI (DIN5) instead of a direct connection (MIDI plugs are associated with opto isolators).

2/ Ground loop filter on the audio path (Behringer HD400 or similar filter).

3/ Ground loop filter on the USB link (https://www.amazon.com/Audio-iDefender3-0-Ground-Loop-Eliminator/dp/B01N3XKOLG)

how would the Behringer work? would it need to be connected between the DP and PC along with the normal USB connection?
this stuff sort of confuses me haha

sforzandissimo, can you address CyberGene's point? When you heard the noise/buzzing, was there only one cable in total between PC and DP - that is, just the USB cable only? Or did you have actually more than one cable running from PC to your piano?


[Linked Image]
across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846619 05/09/19 12:45 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
I thought there was audio and USB linked...but only USB which carry both MIDI+audio. Then most of my proposition are not adequate.

A ground loop with only USB would be surpriseing since there is only one link. If there is a ground loop, it is with USB and the power supply.


Yamaha CLP150, Bechstein Digital Grand, Garritan CFX, Ivory II pianos, Galaxy pianos, EWQL Pianos, Native-Instrument The Definitive Piano Collection, Soniccouture Hammersmith, Truekeys, Pianoteq
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
Tyrone Slothrop #2846813 05/09/19 02:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Many options can get rid of ground loops :
1/ plain MIDI (DIN5) instead of a direct connection (MIDI plugs are associated with opto isolators).

2/ Ground loop filter on the audio path (Behringer HD400 or similar filter).

3/ Ground loop filter on the USB link (https://www.amazon.com/Audio-iDefender3-0-Ground-Loop-Eliminator/dp/B01N3XKOLG)

how would the Behringer work? would it need to be connected between the DP and PC along with the normal USB connection?
this stuff sort of confuses me haha

sforzandissimo, can you address CyberGene's point? When you heard the noise/buzzing, was there only one cable in total between PC and DP - that is, just the USB cable only? Or did you have actually more than one cable running from PC to your piano?

there was the USB and audio cable


[Insert sophisticated and meaningful quote here]
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846817 05/09/19 02:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 9,697
9000 Post Club Member
Offline
9000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 9,697
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo
how would the Behringer work? would it need to be connected between the DP and PC along with the normal USB connection?
this stuff sort of confuses me haha

sforzandissimo, can you address CyberGene's point? When you heard the noise/buzzing, was there only one cable in total between PC and DP - that is, just the USB cable only? Or did you have actually more than one cable running from PC to your piano?

there was the USB and audio cable

Well that explains the ground loop humming/buzzing!

As CyberGene mentioned above, with the N1UX, you should be able to get it working with your PC while using just the USB cable alone, and no audio cable at all. Just one single cable between PC and piano. This should make the buzzing go away entirely as there will no longer be a ground loop.


[Linked Image]
across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
Tyrone Slothrop #2846834 05/09/19 04:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by sforzandissimo
how would the Behringer work? would it need to be connected between the DP and PC along with the normal USB connection?
this stuff sort of confuses me haha

sforzandissimo, can you address CyberGene's point? When you heard the noise/buzzing, was there only one cable in total between PC and DP - that is, just the USB cable only? Or did you have actually more than one cable running from PC to your piano?

there was the USB and audio cable

Well that explains the ground loop humming/buzzing!

As CyberGene mentioned above, with the N1UX, you should be able to get it working with your PC while using just the USB cable alone, and no audio cable at all. Just one single cable between PC and piano. This should make the buzzing go away entirely as there will no longer be a ground loop.

i dont think it worked when i did only the USB, pianoteq wouldnt recognise the piano to be used as an output for sound, only an input. unless this needs to be configured outside of pianoteq?
may have to try it again then, see if pianoteq changes its mind


[Insert sophisticated and meaningful quote here]
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
sforzandissimo #2846838 05/09/19 04:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,288
On the download page of Yamaha, there are two drivers for NU1X : USB-MIDI and Yamaha Steinberg USB.

Only the second enables an audio link. It should add an ASIO driver which can be selected by Pianoteq.


Yamaha CLP150, Bechstein Digital Grand, Garritan CFX, Ivory II pianos, Galaxy pianos, EWQL Pianos, Native-Instrument The Definitive Piano Collection, Soniccouture Hammersmith, Truekeys, Pianoteq
Re: connect PC to piano speakers??
Frédéric L #2846847 05/09/19 05:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 22
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
On the download page of Yamaha, there are two drivers for NU1X : USB-MIDI and Yamaha Steinberg USB.

Only the second enables an audio link. It should add an ASIO driver which can be selected by Pianoteq.

right, so the Steinberg is downloaded onto the computer which is recognised and allows an ASIO driver to show up?
thanks, i'll give it a go


[Insert sophisticated and meaningful quote here]
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Musician's Hand Sanitizer available in our online store (and our Maple Street Music shop in Cornish Maine). Antibacterial, 62% ethyl alcohol. Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Tons more music related products in our online store!
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Where Did The Buttons Go?!
----------------------
Our April 2020 Newsletter Available Online Now...
The Piano World During the Pandemic!
----------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Kawai CA58 display
by ChrisGoesPiano - 05/28/20 04:58 AM
Do you teach sight reading?
by Ubu - 05/28/20 04:37 AM
Tool Backpack
by TimM_980 - 05/28/20 12:47 AM
Looking for a piano
by ThePenist - 05/28/20 12:25 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics199,226
Posts2,963,033
Members97,209
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4