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I paid $8,050.00 out the door for mine.

I provided for my own delivery and setup so there was no additional charges.

God Bless,
David

Thank you for the answer.

Check the last 3-4 pages of the prices paid thread too for more data points.

Very useful thread. Thank You.

The dealer told me that it can be regulated cause it's a real action. Like real pianos, middle keys, due to regular playing, are more solicited so the keyboard can be "digged" after X-time and so it can be regulated.

PS : sorry for my approximate english

The N-series can be regulated, however they have very specific parameters of regulation that are needed for the sensing system to work. They can't be just regulated to the taste of the player. The "regulation" is rather to bring them back to spec so that the piano works as expected. With that in mind, there's no way for a regular piano technician to just come and make the keys lighter for you Although I'd argue that making keys lighter isn't something that's at all possible through only a regulation. Let alone changing the feel towards the fallboard which is a physical limitation of the leverage (pivot point) rather than anything related to the regulation.

Couldn't counterweights be added to or removed from the keys?

If you wanted to potentially sacrifice repetition speed, then yes you can add more counterweights. But have you seen the number of counterweights in an Avant Grand compared to an acoustic grand key stick? There's already so much, It's kind of crazy. This is one of the main things that makes me wonder what the difference is between an Avant Grand action and one of Yamaha's acoustic baby grands.

Maybe you can remove weights from the keysticks to make them lighter (they need to be removed in pairs though, because otherwise you will also change the static weight of the keys which needs to be e.g. 50g. By adding them in pairs you make the key having a higher inertia while still retaining the static weight). However it's not sure if Yamaha added them in pairs to start with. Maybe they calculated their action in such a way that the static weight is achieved through a careful balance of the added weights vs the action parts and the hammer. Most of these things are usually calculated by the manufacturer and it's not supposed for technicians to do them although I known they sometime do them. But it isn't considered a standard manipulation to add/remove weights to the keys. And especially for a hybrid instrument that relies on a fine balance between physical motion and electronic timing measurement which should be translated into predefined range of values. Maybe I am wrong.

There was an interesting discussion on adding or removing counterweights on real acoustic pianos on the technicians forum that I was looking at a little while back. Not sure if this applies to hybrids though.

Question on repetition, and this is honestly more of an action question I think. Occasionally while playing a fast repeated note I do "something" and when I hit the key the second time it feels different, like it's sort of stuck and the piano also doesn't play the note. I can't make this happen consistently, but I'm trying to hone in on what I do when it does happen. Perhaps it's striking the key a bit off center? It happens mostly when actually playing my current piece (the second movement of Beethoven's Op 49 No 2, the dotted 8th followed by a 16th) rather than trying to make it happen by testing. I've kind of had it happen on my teachers piano though it feels different, however it also makes no sound.

I'm guessing it's some sort of deficiency of my technique but I'd love to understand the mechanics of what's going on.

This happens to me as well when replaying a key and when the key has been released only slightly from the bottom position. The actual reason is that on grand pianos although you can replay the key without releasing it fully (owing to the double repetition lever), there's still some distance needed by the key to travel back before the double repetition lever does its job. This is aggravated if the repetition needs to be fast because the speed with which the key will bounce back on its own is limited and it needs some time.

I've so far found two solutions to this problem:

1. I try to release the key slightly more before replaying it. This is possible if the speed of the repetition isn't very fast. However if the speed is fast, you simply don't have time to release key too high before replaying it. Which is why I found out a much better solution:

2. This is a variant of the so called "playing off the jack". Let me first start with a fact you might not know: you can play a key and produce a note without actually pressing the key fully to the bottom. You can remove your finger before the key has hit the bottom and the hammer would still have the inertia to hit the "string" with the same velocity. This is usually difficult to master when you need to play lines, etc., however in the specific case of just playing a quick double note (single repetition), you can easily learn a movement where you strike the key with a single downward motion but stopping temporarily at a middle point. I need to draw a picture though, not sure if you get it. It needs a bit of practicing but is very effective.

I think this might be helpful, Chrispy. Check out this animated grand piano action VIRTUAL ACTION

Look on the shank towards the right and you will see what called a "knuckle" tht is generally made of leather. The L shaped piece right underneath it is called the "jack". The jack is what actually makes the hammer move towards the string. After the hammer builds momentum it flies free away from the jack allowing it to strike the string and get away from the string quickly, allowing the string to vibrate freely. At the same time the jack recovers so we can immediately repeat the note if necessary.

If the jack is not allowed to recover (not lifting our fingers enough to allow for the recovery, for instance) the mechanical action will not reset. This will happen on any piano with a full action.

Congratulations, but I hope you’re also getting compensated for all these people using your piano!

Hi Amy! Congratulation on getting the N1X. How exciting! Friday is almost here. You are going to have a great weekend for sure. I can’t wait to try one myself as it has gotten glowing reviews. It seems like a wonderful instrument.

A few years ago my partner complained how loud the action was on my Roland when using headphones and i practice 90% of the time with headphones on. So I had to sell my Roland and buy a Kawai VPC1 ,which solved the noisy action problem. Ive been using my VPC1 now 5 years and want to upgrade to a hybrid. So ive started looking so far I tried the Yamaha NU1x and just after 5 mins play the action was unbearably loud so ive crossed it off my list. Next I tried the Kawai NV10 and thought the action wasn't as loud as my old Roland but the pedal action seemed very loud. I haven't tried the Yamaha N1X yet so my question here is just how loud is the action on the keys and pedals in comparison to the Kawai NV10 and the newer Rolands like the LX708.

Great link thanks! I really wish they had a slider/scrubber so you could slow it down and go back and forth

Hi daz,

I just went to an NU1x and then played the N1x a few feet away (Hi Amy ). Both instruments were turned off so I was paying attention only to how audible the action was. There is a marked difference between the two. The NU1x is louder. I believe it is because of the placement of the rail that stops the hammer. The rail is just behind the front board and it is in my face. Also, the cabinet is smaller and less insulated than the NU1x. Having said that, I have a large number of clients who play the NU1x with headphones and have no complaints at all.

Full disclosure - I dropped Roland to pick up Yamaha in 2016 and the Clavinova actions then were noticeably quieter than the LX-15 at the time. I have only played the latest Rolands at NAMM and we are still very happy with our choice. Frankly though, I was not listening to this detail in the action. I was concerned with the tone and touch only.

My 2 cents,

I haven’t compared them side by side but I had a NU1X for a month and now the N1X. They are all VERY noisy. My wife isn’t very happy

What made you sell/return the nuix?