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expansion sounds for mp11se? #2846075
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I was set to buy a MP11SE without ever physically playing one, based on reviews and youtube videos, and then I saw it doesn’t even have one Hammond organ patch. The limited sounds are surprising for such a pricey stage piano—-I understand they are great quality (particularly the piano which is arguably the best piano sound in a stage piano) but still pretty unbelievable. the selected sounds are pretty suspect too—-this is a keyboard for a professional level player, and among some of the odd choices, they didn’t include one Hammond organ patch.

Any chance they are planning on adding (or you could add via thumbdrive/usb) more sounds? i saw a youtube video of a guy running a rack module via midi out back into the mp11se. not an ideal option. i will probably buy the mp7se or es8 i guess, but hugely disappointed the flagship kawai stage piano has such a limited selection of sounds

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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846084
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You are right, for some reason MP11SE is severely stripped of subcategories sounds.
So I chose MP7SE instead, it has choirs and other stuff that I like.

I have a Hammond XK3C, so not interested in tonewheel stuff in the piano - but MP7SE has a cool thing there for drawbars as it's own thing. Have not checked it out even, but see if some YT review do that.

MP7SE still has very nice keybed in my view. The thing with MP11SE is the longer wooden keys, I think. So it's deeper chassis for that sake.


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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846086
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It's a piano.

That's Kawai's priority for the MP-11(SE).

(My unofficial understanding.)

Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846088
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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846093
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Originally Posted by ihavezippers
I was set to buy a MP11SE without ever physically playing one, based on reviews and youtube videos, and then I saw it doesn’t even have one Hammond organ patch. The limited sounds are surprising for such a pricey stage piano—-I understand they are great quality (particularly the piano which is arguably the best piano sound in a stage piano) but still pretty unbelievable. the selected sounds are pretty suspect too—-this is a keyboard for a professional level player, and among some of the odd choices, they didn’t include one Hammond organ patch.

Any chance they are planning on adding (or you could add via thumbdrive/usb) more sounds? i saw a youtube video of a guy running a rack module via midi out back into the mp11se. not an ideal option. i will probably buy the mp7se or es8 i guess, but hugely disappointed the flagship kawai stage piano has such a limited selection of sounds


You want a cheap good Organ: get a Yamaha Reface YC. Good little gadget. Find a used one for real cheap.

Not sure if it comes with a MIDI cable, but you need to buy this if in case it doesn't come with one:
Yamaha ZP893500 Cable MIDI Breakout

I have a MOTIF XF and MP7SE has superior organ sounds compared to it...

Your next best bet is MP7SE. Gorgeous keyboard, which acts as an extremely capable stage piano and a very intuitive interface for live perforomance.

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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: clothearednincompo] #2846110
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
It's a piano.

That's Kawai's priority for the MP-11(SE).

(My unofficial understanding.)

Novus NV10 is even more piano. And it has 24 organ sounds. AvantGrands also have organ sounds. So I've never accepted those explanations from KJ and PMC, that MP11 missing organ sounds because it's about piano, it's action is for piano, but not organ etc.

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but hugely disappointed the flagship kawai stage piano has such a limited selection of sounds

+1. This was discussed many times on this forum by me and other users.

Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: 9190] #2846193
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Originally Posted by 9190

Novus NV10 is even more piano. And it has 24 organ sounds. AvantGrands also have organ sounds. So I've never accepted those explanations from KJ and PMC, that MP11 missing organ sounds because it's about piano, it's action is for piano, but not organ etc.


You're right, it's market segmentation, little more. Having 1000+ sounds for a hybrid action piano doesn't make much sense, considering the target market. Best to limit the hybrid to a few dozens sounds that doesn't overwhelm the acoustic piano purchaser, and save the plethora of tones for a different audience that isn't pining for the best acoustic grand action available in a digital wink


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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: Gombessa] #2846196
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by 9190

Novus NV10 is even more piano. And it has 24 organ sounds. AvantGrands also have organ sounds. So I've never accepted those explanations from KJ and PMC, that MP11 missing organ sounds because it's about piano, it's action is for piano, but not organ etc.


You're right, it's market segmentation, little more. Having 1000+ sounds for a hybrid action piano doesn't make much sense, considering the target market. Best to limit the hybrid to a few dozens sounds that doesn't overwhelm the acoustic piano purchaser, and save the plethora of tones for a different audience that isn't pining for the best acoustic grand action available in a digital wink


The fewer sound the piano has, the less likely it is to be called a keyboard! grin

Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846235
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Hello folks,

Yes, it's true that the piano-focussed MP11SE does not feature any drawbar organ sounds. Some customers understand and appreciate this omission, others do not.

If an MP11SE customer really wishes to play drawbar organ sounds from the wooden key action, it's relatively straight-forward to use a sound module connected via MIDI, with the output re-routed into the MP's Line In connectors. My personal suggestion would be to use an iPad running an app such as Galileo Organ.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: Kawai James] #2846242
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello folks,

Yes, it's true that the piano-focussed MP11SE does not feature any drawbar organ sounds. Some customers understand and appreciate this omission, others do not.

If an MP11SE customer really wishes to play drawbar organ sounds from the wooden key action, it's relatively straight-forward to use a sound module connected via MIDI, with the output re-routed into the MP's Line In connectors. My personal suggestion would be to use an iPad running an app such as Galileo Organ.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: Nor] #2846269
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I like that Japanese guy, but for Motif demos the best to watch is Bert Smorenberg. His Motif Rack demo is just amazing. laugh


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Re: expansion sounds for mp11se? [Re: ihavezippers] #2846279
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the voce organ module will work too (sounds better than the mp7se organ imo)


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