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Re: Why such heavy actions? [Re: Emery Wang] #2845899
05/06/19 09:13 PM
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The most controllable actions feel firm and sure when playing soft. That is you can easily and rapidly sense what momentum you are imparting into the hammer and are not forced to play at too slow a key speed as to preclude being able to freely move to the next note in the phrase. You fingers must "know" that escapement will be reliable and complete with great rapidity for the same reason as above. You must not be forced into stiffly holding your arms weight above the keys to avoid playing louder than you desire.

Then when you attack them with great bravura and incredible speed the keys should not resist your arm weight.

An action should feel like it is part of your body. You should feel tactile connection to the keys both pushing them down and the keys pushing your finger back, when you release pressure.

The terms "heavy" or "light" are too meager to encapsulate the piano playing experience.

Static touch weight measurements will tell you nothing about how heavy or light the action feels under differing dynamics.


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Re: Why such heavy actions? [Re: Emery Wang] #2845958
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I think the whole heavy/light conversation is missing the point. The action cannot be separated from the rest of the piano.

A highly responsive piano will give it's voice easier than a dead sounding piano.

Thus, how much playing energy will give how much sound to the pianist. A 72 gram touch weight can feel much lighter than a 42 gram touch weight and often does.

I see this regularly on rebuilt Steinways in my area, where small Renner or Abel hammers are put onto 17 mm shanks on an early 20th century piano.

The result is touch between 45 to 34 grams with no fff and they feel massively heavy on forte because no amount of effort will produce a loud sound, As Ed and others are alluding to, it's the whole piano, design, execution and maintenance that gives the feel, not the weight of the action in isolation

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Re: Why such heavy actions? [Re: Emery Wang] #2846023
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Many thinks to the experts that have posted in this thread. Several of you have put things so eloquently - it is much appreciated.


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Re: Why such heavy actions? [Re: Emery Wang] #2846187
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Ditto, thanks everyone!


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