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Keyboard for my toddler (and me)?
#2845451 05/05/19 01:21 PM
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My almost two year old toddler used to love banging on my Kawai ES7 which was always ON. After I replaced it with a N1X I’m kind of worried she might destruct it so it stays closed and so she still reaches to it but it’s closed and I’m torn between her genuine desire to play and the fear that she can destroy an expensive piano frown Plus it’s too high for her.

I’m thinking of buying a battery powered keyboard with speakers so that she can do whatever she likes to it. (But I’m also tempted of using it myself too if possible). So far the options are:

Yamaha Reface CP. It’s a killer electric piano that I will most thoroughly enjoy playing myself too. Can hook it to a proper weighted keyboard for gigging. And is really portable so I can bring it with me/us everywhere. The mini keys are perfect for her too. It’s a bit expensive though for a keyboard that might end up being destructed.

Roland Go:Keys - perfect for a kid: loops, phrases, rhythms, etc. But I don’t think it will work for me though smile Not that it’s important...

Roland Go:Piano - don’t see a reason why I should choose it over the Go:Keys. Anyone?

Korg TinyPiano - maybe great for a kid but looks too toy-like, only two octaves.

A real acoustic toy piano - always “on”, always powered wink But most probably boring for a modern kid laugh

I’m currently leaning towards the Reface CP because it’s a no-compromise instrument and will also serve me a good purpose myself.

What do you think?

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Just my $0.02. Let your kids play on your main piano. They see you on it, it's what interest them, you have they opportunity to start teaching them respect for the instrument. I dealt with the same issue with my p-105, cp-59. Mp-11, and now NV-10. There are some scratches from fingernails, toe nails, wiped off food, that I would never have tolerated before. But kids transcend personal property, and I know you haven't stretched much more than I have for a hybrid (to the point where you will need to sell it in the near future to make ends meet).

So, what is now important to you? A perpetual battle to keep it pristine (which you WILL lose), or an opportunity to share something beautiful with your children that you can both love, if you can get past the fact that they will slam, scratch, chew and scrape their way way through as they learn how they interact with the world?

The last thing I want fory my own kids is some kind of off-limits barrier to some object they think I value more than I do them.


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CyberGene #2845463 05/05/19 01:52 PM
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Gombessa, these are wise words! Thanks, you really gave me food for thought.


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I've let my kid and the neighbors' kids play on my piano (or rather with it) too, when they wanted to. Also aged 2+ then (now 4-8). But there was always one rule: Wash hands first! I just didn't want to deal with snot on the keys. laugh
That rule was readily accepted btw. And our's started formal lessons with 7 1/2 and the rule still stands. smile
(Well, and of course I made other rules clear, like "only play with fingers, no banging with objects" etc. - but those were rather self evident and never really necessary to spell out.)

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P.S. and I guess now we have ruined your totally valid reason to get yourself a new toy! wink

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CyberGene #2845472 05/05/19 02:26 PM
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Well, there’s still a valid reason, she liked changing voices and playing with the weird ones, as well as starting rhythms wink Can’t do this on the N1X. I mean, even I had to read the manual first time with the NU1X to know that a two-key combination is needed to change voices laugh

But yeah, unfortunately no Reface CP for me frown But why not a Go:Keys for her DJ-ing;)


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Years ago when my brother's oldest daughter was about two or three years old (she got her masters degree a few years ago so that tells you how long ago that was) he got an old Apple II from somewhere that he set up in the corner of his office so she could bang on that and she would stay off of his computer. I'm not sure if it actually worked, but I don't think it did.

One day when my mother was there she saw Amelia pounding on that keyboard and said, "What are you doing, Amelia?"

"Oh grandma, I'm hacking code just like daddy!"

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FrankCox #2845521 05/05/19 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankCox
Years ago when my brother's oldest daughter was about two or three years old (she got her masters degree a few years ago so that tells you how long ago that was) he got an old Apple II from somewhere that he set up in the corner of his office so she could bang on that and she would stay off of his computer. I'm not sure if it actually worked, but I don't think it did.

One day when my mother was there she saw Amelia pounding on that keyboard and said, "What are you doing, Amelia?"

"Oh grandma, I'm hacking code just like daddy!"

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How cute is that! smile Which is why I try not to code in front of my daughter laugh Not that I can either... Whenever she sees me on the computer typing she comes and start pressing keys.

I’m now really inclined to order a GO:KEYS. I’m sure she’ll love it and it will be a great way for her to learn playing a keyboard. Even if I let the N1X open and switched on, which I will, it’s still too high for her and doesn’t have funny voices and rhythms. Does anyone have the GO:KEYS? Or at least tried it? There’s some kid Yohan Kim who plays mind blowing funky jazz solos on it shocked


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Just my $0.02. Let your kids play on your main piano. They see you on it, it's what interest them, you have they opportunity to start teaching them respect for the instrument. I dealt with the same issue with my p-105, cp-59. Mp-11, and now NV-10. There are some scratches from fingernails, toe nails, wiped off food, that I would never have tolerated before. But kids transcend personal property, and I know you haven't stretched much more than I have for a hybrid (to the point where you will need to sell it in the near future to make ends meet).

So, what is now important to you? A perpetual battle to keep it pristine (which you WILL lose), or an opportunity to share something beautiful with your children that you can both love, if you can get past the fact that they will slam, scratch, chew and scrape their way way through as they learn how they interact with the world?

The last thing I want fory my own kids is some kind of off-limits barrier to some object they think I value more than I do them.

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When friends or family come over, their kids often head to the piano to make their 'music'. Often their parents will admonish them to "leave Uncle's piano alone before you break it", but I never want to discourage children from noodling about on there, so I tell the parents that as long as they're not actually pounding on the keys with fists, let them have at it. Of course, sometimes, the parents just don't want to hear the racket and that's their excuse to stop it. wink

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Given that your little one likes to change sounds, I'd do the Go:Keys as it's much easier to change sounds on than the Reface CP which is a bit arcane and would be much easier for her to make sound really awful (or not at all, which could be confusing.) I think the programmed sounds would be easier to grok than oscillators and envelopes. But who knows, maybe she's a synth prodigy smile


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Originally Posted by JoBert
I've let my kid and the neighbors' kids play on my piano (or rather with it) too, when they wanted to. Also aged 2+ then (now 4-8). But there was always one rule: Wash hands first! I just didn't want to deal with snot on the keys. laugh
That rule was readily accepted btw. And our's started formal lessons with 7 1/2 and the rule still stands. smile
(Well, and of course I made other rules clear, like "only play with fingers, no banging with objects" etc. - but those were rather self evident and never really necessary to spell out.)


Same for us... As long as hands are cleaned and no banging they can play as much as they want. It is amazing how kids (a bit older.. around 8) respect rules when they are reasonable.

The piano won't get hurt and my daughter, who is studying piano, tries to teach put together little 4 or 6 hands pieces... The results are what they are but the piano is fine and they have fun.


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Oh, +1 on having reasonable and clear rules.

We definitely have the same rules others have mentioned here (wash hands first, no food/drink at the piano), and I think it's a good way to start establishing the right respect for the instrument as kids grow older and can understand them smile

In the end, I want our kids to grow up enjoying piano/music, and kids of these ages are always looking to emulate their parents and do whatever it is we're doing. I can't let her mess around with my work laptop much, but playing on the same piano as dad does? That's a real joy for both of us.


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+1 on Gombessa's approach to parenting wink


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Gombesaa is right. Also, when your child will see that you are playing and respecting he instrument, to some extent should behave the same, as children as copying us . My is 6 months
currently, andd I am even not thinking about letting him play in any toy if the proper piano is at home when he will grow.

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I agree with all of you and I would be the last man in the world to prevent my daughter from playing the piano (BTW she seems to be possessing a perfect pitch: always singing songs in the proper key for which I envy her!). However she's still too young: 1 year and 8 months and simply won't listen to me laugh I guess she will need some more time to be more manageable smile And in the meantime she will be better off with a funky little keyboard, not simply to "preserve" my N1X which is rather impossible but rather to have easy access to a smaller keyboard with many bells and whistles to keep her interested.

The Roland GO:KEYS has been in my Thomann cart for a few days, waiting for me to make my mind smile


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The Go keys looks perfect - if a bit overkill - any cheap colorful thing with a keyboard will be interesting at that age. My 4 year old still loves the cheap toy keyboard that is permanently setup next to the real piano and prefers it because it is easily accessible and has built in rhythms etc.

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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
My 4 year old still loves the cheap toy keyboard that is permanently setup next to the real piano and prefers it because it is easily accessible and has built in rhythms etc.



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^ That kind of stuff is usually a territory of geeks/nerds rather than children smile Sooner or later it transforms into this:


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
^ That kind of stuff is usually a territory of geeks/nerds rather than children smile Sooner or later it transforms into this:

Does that mean if you were to get your daughter a cat piano, you'd eventually find yourself swapped your N1X for her cat piano wink laugh


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