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Pedaling on Noire #2845330
05/05/19 05:07 AM
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Hi guys,

Question for the users:

How is the half pedaling and repedaling on Noire?
Are there known bugs ?

Thanks

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Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845353
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Nothing i encountered with pedaling, but there's excessive honky-like noise in the release samples, more prominent when you raise the volume slider of the release samples and play staccato.

There're working on it. Been told it's not an easy fix so it may take some time and possibly the fix will not be included in the very next update but with the one after.

Last edited by RobR; 05/05/19 07:55 AM.
Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845354
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They claim they use Galaxy technology. Not sure if that’s also for the pedaling behavior, however re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not working properly in Vintage D and Galaxy never fixed it despite acknowledging my report.

I think most sample-based VST-s are used purely for film soundtracks and similar productions where playability and advanced pedaling are not important. The Noire to my ears is too cinematic to be good for classical music, so pedaling doesn’t seem to be of importance.


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Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: CyberGene] #2845363
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
The Noire to my ears is too cinematic to be good for classical music

I asked this before on another thread and didn't get a clear answer - or at least I didn't understand the answer wink

As a piano beginner, can someone explain to me what are the pianistic characteristics of a cinematic piano vs a classical piano? I am approaching acquiring my first sampled VST and have been considering Garritan CFX full and VSL Steinway D, based on recommendations made in a thread I started in January, but recently, I started wondering about Noire since so many good things were said about it.


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Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845370
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I need to hear dry demos of the Noire. All demos I’ve heard so far sound like from a movie: a lot of cathedral like reverb with compressed dynamics focusing on soft timbre, intermixed with atmospheric pads, thick EQ-ing, etc. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s only the demos targeting this particular character whereas the Noire dry samples could be perfect for classical music. It’s my understanding Native Instruments target their pianos for modern productions. Tyrone, you can always try the Garritan CFX lite, it’s only €70 if I’m not mistaken. Why don’t you try it now? smile You can later upgrade to the full version and it will cost less than paying for full. And then you will have two licenses: one for full and one for lite smile I went this way.


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Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845382
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NOIRE can play classical no problem. It has 22 velocity layers and they're scripted very well. With that said, it does have a slight "warm/dark" aura around it (Timbre wise) compared to something like the VSL CFX or Garritan CFX.

Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: CyberGene] #2845396
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I've been wondering about this for years ...
Originally Posted by CyberGene
... re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not working properly in Vintage D and Galaxy never fixed it despite acknowledging my report.
I never got them working, and I thought I was doing something wrong.

Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: MacMacMac] #2845398
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I've been wondering about this for years ...
Originally Posted by CyberGene
... re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not working properly in Vintage D and Galaxy never fixed it despite acknowledging my report.
I never got them working, and I thought I was doing something wrong.

Is it that re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not supported at all? Or that it is broken in their implementation? Because as Kawai James has been quick to point out, there is a difference between performing as originally spec'ed and having a bug! wink


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Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2845399
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Me too. I was told that the cinematic mode is suitable for movie making ... hence the term "cinematic". But that doesn't really tell me anything.
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
The Noire to my ears is too cinematic to be good for classical music
I asked this before on another thread and didn't get a clear answer - or at least I didn't understand the answer.
So I've been left to go on experience. And that experience tells me that the regular or classical setting sounds like a piano, and the cinematic sounds like crap.

Interpretation: cinematic = crap ?

Perhaps that does not hold true for the Noire? I guess it'll be a while before I found out because Noire won't work with my version of Kontakt.

Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2845400
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Several Galaxy pianos have settings to enable half-pedal and re-pedal. But the effect doesn't work as expected.
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is it that re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not supported at all? Or that it is broken in their implementation?
Broken implementation.

Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: MacMacMac] #2845401
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Several Galaxy pianos have settings to enable half-pedal and re-pedal. But the effect doesn't work as expected.
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is it that re-pedaling and half-pedaling are not supported at all? Or that it is broken in their implementation?
Broken implementation.

Well, that's bad that they seem unwilling to fix a broken thing. I feel a little less predisposed to Noire then.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845403
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I wouldn't sweat it. You need to be an advanced pianist (and be playing relevant repertoire) for advanced pedal effects to be important.

Do we have the right to expect better? Yes.
But am I worried about it? No.

Re: Pedaling on Noire [Re: stamkorg] #2845438
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"I guess it'll be a while before I found out because Noire won't work with my version of Kontakt."


hi Mac,
Noire will play on the free Kontakt Player.
so, you don't have to have the newest Kontakt version.
I've been using Noire on the free Kontakt Player, and it works fine.
Charlie


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