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Brahms op.117 no.2 #2844475
05/02/19 12:42 PM
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Please listen with ear/head phones since the volume is low.
I learned this piece recently. Comments, criticism, suggestions are all welcome.


https://app.box.com/s/yv4z90zke0szwg54552rktj72dyw2pn2

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2844989
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And here is video version with score:

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2845038
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Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed listening to your version. I actually played this piece for the last recital online here.

I was impressed that you managed to get the score to go with the video. How did you do that ?

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Thank you Moo.

You just adjust the duration of each picture in iMovie or Windows Movie Maker according to the audio.

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2845092
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Hakki -

This is a beautiful, nuanced performance. I love your pacing throughout, the dynamic contrasts and the balance between the upper voice and the middle/lower voices. .

Two tiny suggestions….

1) In measure 27, 3rd beat, your are playing an A flat in the upper voice when it should be a G flat.

2) In the very last measure of the piece there is a fermata, which you don't seem to be observing. I would encourage you to let the final chord sound just a tad longer - otherwise the ending seems abrupt.

I've performed this piece myself many times over the past 50 years. Each time I relearn it I tend to find something new in the score. I appreciate the lightness and freshness of your interpretation.

Wonderful playing. BRAVO !!!!! thumb


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Thank you Carey for the correction, suggestions and nice words.

I would love listen to your version.

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2845227
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Hi, Hakki! For my taste, this was a really beautiful rendition of this elegantly written Intermezzo -- the sense of gesture, voicing, and pace were just spot on. And thanks for posting the score -- it unmasked a couple of misreadings on my part (blush!). Thanks for sharing it!.

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2845231
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Originally Posted by Hakki
Thank you Carey for the correction, suggestions and nice words. I would love listen to your version.
Hakki - I was wrong about the fermata at the end. You do observe it and it sounds perfectly fine. Alas, my own version of the Intermezzo is too loud, robust and heavy handed. Makes me wonder what I was thinking at the time (7 years ago). Your more delicate and restrained interpretation - that closely follows the markings in the score, has inspired me to revisit the piece. Maybe this time I'll get it right !! . smile


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Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Tim Adrianson] #2845282
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Thank you Tim.
I have to admit that I got some help from my brother's wife who is a teacher at the conservatory.
When I first recorded it, I thought my rubatos might have been too much, with a dragging right hand followed by a faster left hand to compensate for the rhythm, and asked her opinion. And indeed they were as she replied that my playing was Chopinesque whereas Brahms should be played in a sober way. Hence this second recording.

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I love this. Perfect tempo. Such delicate touch and phrasing. Great stuff, Hakki.


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Thank you SiFi. I am glad that you liked my playing.

Re: Brahms op.117 no.2 [Re: Hakki] #2846163
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Hakki:

This is beautiful playing, absolutely beautiful. The calm repose of your interpretation is so appealing.

What I appreciate is the extremely judicious use of the damper pedal. The biggest challenge in that respect is the thirty-second note in the left hand leading to the second beat in so many measures where the interval between the two notes is a minor second. It is so easy to blur that interval or to end up breaking the phrase. Yet you manage - how, I wonder? - to maintain a clear legato with no overlap and no blur. It's attention to detail like this that distinguishes true pianism.

The only place where you and I disagree is in measures 26 and 34. As the phrasing indicates, the phrase ends on beat 2-1/2 with the first of the two two-note chords (G-flat, E-flat in measure 26; B-flat, G-flat in measure 34). The next phrase in each of these two measures begins with the two-note chord on beat three (as I read the score), so I like to break those two repeated chords by taking a breath between them: the first is the end of one phrase, the next is the beginning of the next phrase. You - and most professionals I have heard - invariably play the two chords as part of the same phrase. I disagree with this interpretation of the markings in the score.

That's a minor cavil in what is a truly beautiful performance.

There's a clarity and what Carey calls a "lightness" to this performance which is quite refreshing. Others may look for a slightly darker, more somber hue to this intimate portrait, but yours is as convincing as any other.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Regards,


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Bruce, thank you very much.

You are right about the pedal. I tried to employ half/quarter pedal and also tried to play those 32nd notes quieter.
Although I observed the markings in 26 and 34, phrasing the way I did was more appealing to me.

And I am so glad that you found my approach refreshing. It is very encouraging to hear these words. Thank you again.


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