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CASE CLOUDINESS #2844639 05/02/19 10:33 PM
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Hello, I bought a piano which featured a beautiful case with a nice high-gloss finish.
It had to be shipped via a truck over a thousand miles and many days.
It was well padded for the move.
Upon arrival, the case had several streaks which have a cloudiness look to them, particularly on the lid.
It seems these streaks of cloudiness came from the pad(s); not that they were dirty, rather that they were rubbing against the finish during the move.
I have not been able to simply rub them out
Is there some product I can use to clear this up/out and return the case to its beautiful appearance?
thanks in advance for all replies.

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Re: CASE CLOUDINESS [Re: MICHAEL122] #2844642 05/02/19 10:37 PM
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There are rubbing compounds that you can get from automobile supply stores. Try them in an inconspicuous spot first.


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Oh, hey... That's a great idea! Surprisingly simple too.
Can't imagine why i didn't think of that, duhhhh-
Many Thanks BDB!!
Is there a type {mild, strong, etc} or a brand you'd recommend?
How do you think it will affect the finish?
Want to point out that areas without those streaks are wonderful and I'd hate to diminish that appearance.

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All I know is that it was suggested by a piano manufacturer, and that there are polishes for light finishes and for dark finishes, so ask and buy accordingly.


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Also, be careful at the edges and corners. It can be easy to buff through the finish to the wood.

Edit:. See if the moving company will take responsibility for the abrasions. Presumably, they have insurance.

If there is some unforeseen problem with rubbing out the abrasions, let them take responsibility. Once you've started rubbing out the abrasions, they're likely off the hook if there's a problem.

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Re: CASE CLOUDINESS [Re: MICHAEL122] #2844707 05/03/19 06:32 AM
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You are way better off to let someone with touch-up experience fix it. The movers should pay for the repair to the damage they caused.
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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
You are way better off to let someone with touch-up experience fix it. The movers should pay for the repair to the damage they caused.
-chris


I totally agree. That's why you spent the money on professional movers.


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Re: CASE CLOUDINESS [Re: daniokeeper] #2844711 05/03/19 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by daniokeeper
Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
You are way better off to let someone with touch-up experience fix it. The movers should pay for the repair to the damage they caused.
-chris


I totally agree. That's why you spent the money on professional movers.


Ha, I paid for professional movers and there was still damage which they did not accept responsibility for.


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Originally Posted by ShyPianist
Originally Posted by daniokeeper
Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
You are way better off to let someone with touch-up experience fix it. The movers should pay for the repair to the damage they caused.
-chris


I totally agree. That's why you spent the money on professional movers.


Ha, I paid for professional movers and there was still damage which they did not accept responsibility for.


It would depend on the particulars of the contract you signed. Was there a waiver? Limits to financial responsibility? Did you photograph/document the condition of the piano before moving? Did the damage exceed the piano's value? How far did you push it? Small claims court? Did you contact the movers immediately or wait awhile?

It still makes sense for the OP to try to get the professional movers to take responsibility.


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I understand what some are saying about having mover bear responsibility, but I'm very certain that they will disavow {just like the experience someone shared in this thread}.
It is a waste of my time playing a blame game and getting everyone upset over something that $15, some elbow grease, and about 45 minutes will fix; permanently.
So, after BDB's suggestion, did a little research, and it seems polishing compounds are less abrasive than rubbing compounds.
I strongly suspect my problem will be remedied by the least potent type and to that end, am considering Meguiar's M2 Mirror Glaze Fine-Cut Cleaner or Meguiar's M20508 Mirror Glaze Ultra Finishing Polish.
Comments or experiences with that?

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Originally Posted by MICHAEL122
I understand what some are saying about having mover bear responsibility, but I'm very certain that they will disavow {just like the experience someone shared in this thread}.
It is a waste of my time playing a blame game and getting everyone upset over something that $15, some elbow grease, and about 45 minutes will fix; permanently.
So, after BDB's suggestion, did a little research, and it seems polishing compounds are less abrasive than rubbing compounds.
I strongly suspect my problem will be remedied by the least potent type and to that end, am considering Meguiar's M2 Mirror Glaze Fine-Cut Cleaner or Meguiar's M20508 Mirror Glaze Ultra Finishing Polish.
Comments or experiences with that?


Meguiar's is one of several good products.
Another source is the guitar polishing products sold by Stewart MacDonald (StewMac).


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If the finish was only a few months old and/or the weather was hot when it was on the truck. It would be expected that some rub marks from the pads would appear in transit. This is not really the movers fault. It is part of the price of a newish finish moved too early.

First you need to know what kind of finish is on the piano. Then you should find out what rubbing process produced the final sheen. Then redo that process as needed.


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Re: CASE CLOUDINESS [Re: MICHAEL122] #2847877 05/13/19 05:39 PM
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OK, Meguire's finishing polish had NO effect {as in at all, did NOTHING to the finish = no improvement and is not any worse for the use of it, not even so much as noticeable}.
BDB's original suggestion had minimal effect {did a small test area and it did clear it up a little (as in VERY little, almost not at all and both were a waste of time & money)}.
I happened to talk to a tech with over 15 years experience, and used to work for S&S, who said those streaks of cloudiness are normal and intentional to the finish. He had a name for it, but i don't recall it. He said moving pads had nothing to do with it, at all, and he understood that i'd rather not have it on the finish, but there's not much you can do about it, except for having the case entirely re-finished. He stated the streaks should be greatly diminished, only be visible under certain lighting conditions, or at specific viewing angles and if all that is true {it is} then whoever did it, did a VERY good job on it.
Guess i have to live with it...

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I have never heard of deliberately clouding the finish in certain places, but not others. But, anything's possible I guess.

I wonder if the clouding is in the finish itself, or maybe wax on top of the finish. If it's on top, then using the Meguire's merely pushed the wax around.

If you're game, you could try stripping the wax off in a particular area. The safest way I know of is to use Milsek Furniture Polish. Apply a generous coat and let it sit there for a while until the wax softens. Then, buff the wax off with a clean, soft cloth, (maybe an old t-shirt), turning the cloth as you work. If you notice an improvement, then wax buildup is the culprit.

You might have to repeat the process several times.

Even if the Milsek doesn't help, it certainly won't hurt. And, it's not very expensive.

Btw, what brand of piano is this?


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Have you figured out what sort of finish is on your piano?
High gloss could have a clear coat over the color
There could be bonding issues between clear and color if the surface was not clean when applying the clear.
Is your piano new with factory finish of from a rebuilder?
I would take the x-SS persons normal comment as bologna.
You should First find out what the finish is. Polyester? Lacquer? Schellac and possibly urithane?
Even a water base lacquer?
Some water based lacquers will have a bluish hue when cured and are subject to layering such that each top coat will not bond with the previous coat below it.
Each would be treated different.
Is it a solid color or a wood grain finish?


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What you have is a problem called BLUSH. it is when an item is spray painted when there is too much humidity. You cannot compound it out..

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I believe that is correct. The way its dealt with in a refinishing shop is to change over to a slow evaporating thinner (or add retarder or some such thing) which allows the moisture to escape in the drying process.

If this is a SS, the black lacquer is applied hot in four coats. Very thick (for lacquer) and fast drying. If an undercoat blushed it might be covered up by a subsequent coat, but then re-appear later in the rubbing process as material is removed.

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