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Finally action noise heard on acoustic...
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...similar to what a lot of us hear in our DPs laugh

Thanks to this YouTube vid here recorded using a phone - you can clearly hear the clicking...so next time you hear clicking in your DP just think how it's just like the real thing! wink

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Ha, yeah. I don't usually notice because the piano strings are so much louder, whereas the action noise on my digital is easier to hear when I turn down. I've come to appreciate the "thunking" as part of the sound, but I still can't stand "clicking" ...


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I don't want to hear ANY of the noises. Some of my VIs introduce various noises ... and I turn them off.

I only want to hear the strings. The strings, the whole strings, and nothing but the strings.

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May I suggest the harp? laugh


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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
May I suggest the harp? laugh


HAHAHAHA! laugh

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I don't want to hear ANY of the noises. Some of my VIs introduce various noises ... and I turn them off.

I only want to hear the strings. The strings, the whole strings, and nothing but the strings.

I had a thread on this topic of simulation of the "defects" and "weaknesses" of an acoustical grand! My pet peeve is the out-of-tune "honkey tonk" feature of some VIs. Out of tune strings drive me batty. What is it with those people who purposely seek a piano sound which is 6 months out-of-tune when for once, VIs give you the possibility to be in perfect tune 100% of the time?

BTW, this happens for acoustical pianos too.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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I don't want to hear ANY of the noises. Some of my VIs introduce various noises ... and I turn them off.

I only want to hear the strings. The strings, the whole strings, and nothing but the strings.

I had a thread on this topic of simulation of the "defects" and "weaknesses" of an acoustical grand! My pet peeve is the out-of-tune "honkey tonk" feature of some VIs. Out of tune strings drive me batty. What is it with those people who purposely seek a piano sound which is 6 months out-of-tune when for once, VIs give you the possibility to be in perfect tune 100% of the time?

BTW, this happens for acoustical pianos too.

Ha, I love the honky tonk sound, man. Don't know what to tell you! smile


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It seems to me they gave the girl a deffective piano for her to practice.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I don't want to hear ANY of the noises. Some of my VIs introduce various noises ... and I turn them off. I only want to hear the strings. The strings, the whole strings, and nothing but the strings.
I had a thread on this topic of simulation of the "defects" and "weaknesses" of an acoustical grand! My pet peeve is the out-of-tune "honkey tonk" feature of some VIs. Out of tune strings drive me batty. What is it with those people who purposely seek a piano sound which is 6 months out-of-tune when for once, VIs give you the possibility to be in perfect tune 100% of the time?
Ha, I love the honky tonk sound, man. Don't know what to tell you! smile
OK, fair enough. But what about every sneeze, wheeze, cough, and throat clearing a regular acoustic makes just because it was a mechanical device invented 320 years ago and mechanical devices make noise. As MacMacMac mentioned, why is it important to reproduce those noises in a VST/VI? Are these sneezes, wheezes, coughs, and throat clearings an integral part of the music being made?

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It seems to me they gave the girl a deffective piano for her to practice.

Would be very surprised if that were the case. Tiffany Poon is a top up&coming pianist and has access to some of the best teachers and pianos @ Juilliard & Columbia U.


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Yeah ... what about every sneeze, wheeze, cough, and throat clearing a regular acoustic makes? smile

Lucky for me that my piano doesn't make such noises.

But this reminds me of the mini toy keyboard sold at Radio Shack decades ago. It had an alternate voice that would cough. And another that would bark like a dog.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But this reminds me of the mini toy keyboard sold at Radio Shack decades ago. It had an alternate voice that would cough. And another that would bark like a dog.



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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But this reminds me of the mini toy keyboard sold at Radio Shack decades ago. It had an alternate voice that would cough. And another that would bark like a dog.


I do recognise those hands...that's CG showing off again. Has he absolutely no humility whatsoever...wish I had a tenth of his skill. cry

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You want me show off?

Here’s one for ya!


The keys don’t have mechanical noise because they are like laptop ones, having 1mm travel but there’s polyphonic aftertouch which I demonstrate in the end. Ohh, and the patch was created by me. It’s actually patched through virtual cables in the Moog Model 15 modular synth. How about that!


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
You want me show off?

Here’s one for ya!

The keys don’t have mechanical noise because they are like laptop ones, having 1mm travel but there’s polyphonic aftertouch which I demonstrate in the end. Ohh, and the patch was created by me. It’s actually patched through virtual cables in the Moog Model 15 modular synth. How about that!

That's funny! You had that Russian cartoon in Bulgaria too? And it even has the cat sounds from the original sound track! cool


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
You want me show off?

Here’s one for ya!

The keys don’t have mechanical noise because they are like laptop ones, having 1mm travel but there’s polyphonic aftertouch which I demonstrate in the end. Ohh, and the patch was created by me. It’s actually patched through virtual cables in the Moog Model 15 modular synth. How about that!

That's funny! You had that Russian cartoon in Bulgaria too? And it even has the cat sounds from the original sound track! cool

I’ve grown up with Ну, погоди! It was my favorite cartoon smile And the theme music is apparently something that I’m crazy about laugh


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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That's funny! You had that Russian cartoon in Bulgaria too? And it even has the cat sounds from the original sound track! cool

I’ve grown up with Ну, погоди! It was my favorite cartoon smile And the theme music is apparently something that I’m crazy about laugh

Yeah, I watched all the episodes with my daughter. It's all on Youtube now. Did you watch other Russian shows in Bulgaria? My wife has a good friend from Western Ukraine. She said that the way they learned Russian was from the morning cartoons as Russian wasn't taught in Western Ukraine (it was Eastern Ukraine where everyone learned Russian in school).

But yes! Great job on the Ну, погоди theme song. I recognized it immediately with it 'meows'!


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Yann Tiersen uses toy pianos to great effect in his compositions, such as this one:



I’ll be seeing Yann perform this month!

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I don't want to hear ANY of the noises. Some of my VIs introduce various noises ... and I turn them off. I only want to hear the strings. The strings, the whole strings, and nothing but the strings.
I had a thread on this topic of simulation of the "defects" and "weaknesses" of an acoustical grand! My pet peeve is the out-of-tune "honkey tonk" feature of some VIs. Out of tune strings drive me batty. What is it with those people who purposely seek a piano sound which is 6 months out-of-tune when for once, VIs give you the possibility to be in perfect tune 100% of the time?
Ha, I love the honky tonk sound, man. Don't know what to tell you! smile
OK, fair enough. But what about every sneeze, wheeze, cough, and throat clearing a regular acoustic makes just because it was a mechanical device invented 320 years ago and mechanical devices make noise. As MacMacMac mentioned, why is it important to reproduce those noises in a VST/VI? Are these sneezes, wheezes, coughs, and throat clearings an integral part of the music being made?

Originally Posted by EVC2017
It seems to me they gave the girl a deffective piano for her to practice.

Would be very surprised if that were the case. Tiffany Poon is a top up&coming pianist and has access to some of the best teachers and pianos @ Juilliard & Columbia U.


Best teachers - yes. Best pianos - no. Tiffany Poon did a video a while back ago going through the practice rooms at the school (I think Juilliard) and complaining about how every piano was either out of tune or had sluggish action or some or other problem.

I do wish there was a way to eliminate these noises completely. On my NV10, the key action is noisy when I play it at a lower volume. Sometimes, it can almost be as loud as the volume through the speakers - and it is annoying.

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Originally Posted by Osho
I do wish there was a way to eliminate these noises completely. On my NV10, the key action is noisy when I play it at a lower volume. Sometimes, it can almost be as loud as the volume through the speakers - and it is annoying.

I have a few quick ideas, although I suppose all will change the "sound" of the speakers as well (maybe improve):

- Try putting the piano in different spots in the room/house. Even if you just move it back a few cm or to the side a few cm. Generally, corners and right next to the wall will tend to emphasize lower frequencies, where a lot of the mechanical noise resides.

- Under the piano you can put some dense rubber between the piano's feet and the floor for decoupling. Rubber caster cups will work on the front feet but I can't tell how the back of the NV-10 touches the floor (looks like one monster foot from the pictures). Here is an example of "premium" caster cups; you could DIY this but getting the right rubber density & thickness for upright piano weight and the typical mechanical sounds might take some trial and error:

http://piattinocastercups.com/ordering-piattino-caster-cups/

- Put a thick rug with an thick rubber underthing under the piano.

- Maybe you can put some THICK sound absorption panels below and in front of the piano. I don't think that will help too much with the mechanical noises but if you try different materials and positions you might have more luck.

- My piano teacher has a huge 1cm thick felt pad on top of the piano for sound control. My old car was stuffed with foam and sandbags by the factory for noise control. Some audio guys line their car doors, floors and roofs with Dynamat or similar for dampening. You would need to find something inert and that won't leave all kinds of garbage inside your piano overtime. The Dynamat is messy asphalt-like so I suppose that will melt all over the action. Foam tends to deteriorate over a few years. Stringy polyester fill used in speakers might leave a mess. Frankly I don't think this will help too much with mechanical sounds.

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I’ve grown up with Ну, погоди! It was my favorite cartoon smile

Ну, погоди заяц! laugh I also watched that story cartoon in Poland in 80's.
BTW - what is the master keyboard which you playing on?


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