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donating a damaged August Forster
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Hello. I have a 5' August Forster that I bought 14 years ago - I believe the model is 170. I recently learned that it has termite damage. The estimate for repair was $7000, which I cannot invest. The piano is beautiful "flame mahogany" and the sound is rich on those keys that are not damaged. It cost $25000 new. I very much doubt that I'd be able to sell it so am willing to donate it for a worthy cause. I am in Miami, Florida. Thanking you in advance for advice from this group.
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You can list your piano on pianoadoptions.

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Vicky, I am so sorry to hear this; it's heartbreaking for you. How extensive is the damage, and is it ongoing? How did you discover this, and how can termite damage be halted once discovered?

I wish you the very best, and perhaps a rebuilder in your area could take it off your hands, perhaps the one who gave you the repair estimate. In this case the worthy cause would be that of preserving the instrument.


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I'm afraid termites seem to be the "leprosy of pianos," or you would have received more of a response here by now.


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I'm trying to figure out how termites get into a piano in a climate-controlled room. Everything is possible under the sun, I know. They're usually in the walls, chewing on the pine framing, or chowing down on the exterior trim wood.

Have you gotten a second opinion on the cause and consequences of the damage? How did you notice it in the first place?

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What have you been told regarding mitigation? How could that be accomplished and was the $7000 enough to kill the termites and repair all the damage done? If you give the piano away you're giving someone a $7,000 expense. Obviously the piano is worth more than that but in my experience nonprofits don't have $7K to spare in their budgets. Have you found a 501(c)3 that's willing to accept your donation?

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Most termites require an ongoing connection to the soil, but in Florida and other extremely southern areas there are dry wood termites that can infest things like pianos and remain above ground. Florida has extremely high termite activity. frown



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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
I'm trying to figure out how termites get into a piano in a climate-controlled room.

Florida and other coastal areas have a type of termite that can fly. They don't live in the ground at all, they just fly around and if they end up in your house they can get into the furniture. Florida can have their balmy weather, I'll take a good hard freeze every winter that kills all kinds of things like alligators, termites, and slow drivers.


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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
I'm trying to figure out how termites get into a piano in a climate-controlled room.

Florida and other coastal areas have a type of termite that can fly. They don't live in the ground at all, they just fly around and if they end up in your house they can get into the furniture. Florida can have their balmy weather, I'll take a good hard freeze every winter that kills all kinds of things like alligators, termites, and slow drivers.


Are these what we call woodworm in the U.K.? I’ve been so puzzled reading all these references to termites in pianos, while thinking about chimpanzees poking sticks into termite mounds. 🤔


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Originally Posted by ShyPianist
Are these what we call woodworm in the U.K.? I’ve been so puzzled reading all these references to termites in pianos, while thinking about chimpanzees poking sticks into termite mounds. 🤔

I would think OP would have said woodworms if that was it. Woodworms definitely exist in North America too.

Scary to think of either in a house getting at a piano though. That entire house would need to be treated.

I do like your chimp imagery though! thumb


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As suggested by "dogperson", I've submitted a donation ad to pianoadoption.com. I've included a photo of the damaged area and also a photo of the estimate, which provides some detail regarding the work needed. My hope is that someone with a known and trusted repair person can get it restored less expensively than the estimate I received. Termites are most definitely one of the hazards of living in South Florida - although not as bad as hurricanes. Thank you all for the kind words.
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Are these what we call woodworm in the U.K.? I’ve been so puzzled reading all these references to termites in pianos, while thinking about chimpanzees poking sticks into termite mounds. 🤔

I would think OP would have said woodworms if that was it. Woodworms definitely exist in North America too.

Scary to think of either in a house getting at a piano though. That entire house would need to be treated.

I do like your chimp imagery though! thumb


Formosa termites are a real problem here too, so we have the entire house "tented" every few years with Vikane gas. I've never seen any attacks on my pianos, but we don't wait to see the tell-tale little piles of droppings they leave. We just do it as SOP.

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Originally Posted by ShyPianist
Are these what we call woodworm in the U.K.? I’ve been so puzzled reading all these references to termites in pianos, while thinking about chimpanzees poking sticks into termite mounds. 🤔

I would think OP would have said woodworms if that was it. Woodworms definitely exist in North America too.

Scary to think of either in a house getting at a piano though. That entire house would need to be treated.

I do like your chimp imagery though! thumb


Formosa termites are a real problem here too, so we have the entire house "tented" every few years with Vikane gas. I've never seen any attacks on my pianos, but we don't wait to see the tell-tale little piles of droppings they leave. We just do it as SOP.


Ah I see, well every day’s a learning day!

You’re from Big Island? Wow! An amazing holiday was had there just before Kilauea went crazy.


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And tasted it, and found it good!
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.


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Are these what we call woodworm in the U.K.? I’ve been so puzzled reading all these references to termites in pianos, while thinking about chimpanzees poking sticks into termite mounds. 🤔

I would think OP would have said woodworms if that was it. Woodworms definitely exist in North America too.

Scary to think of either in a house getting at a piano though. That entire house would need to be treated.

I do like your chimp imagery though! thumb


Formosa termites are a real problem here too, so we have the entire house "tented" every few years with Vikane gas. I've never seen any attacks on my pianos, but we don't wait to see the tell-tale little piles of droppings they leave. We just do it as SOP.


Ah I see, well every day’s a learning day!

You’re from Big Island? Wow! An amazing holiday was had there just before Kilauea went crazy.

Madame Pele put on a pretty good show - largest eruption in the lower east rift zone in over 200 years, that took over 700 homes. Our house is 7 miles from the vent where the main action was. This was the view from our driveway for most of last summer.[img]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kkV2cJZILXb8j92m82Kr1drnj3pQMPty/view?usp=drivesdk[/img]

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina

The Termite
by Ogden Nash

Some primal termite knocked on wood
And tasted it, and found it good!
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.


Ahh... the classics! smile



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Wow! We were so lucky to see the lava lake at close to its highest point before it all drained, but to have that view from your home!!!! Sadly the beautiful place we stayed in Kapoho is now buried under several feet of lava.


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Only 7 miles!

I hope you and your family have been monitoring/checking your health - especially respiratory health. I certainly wouldn't want to be breathing in all of the sulfur compounds which must be in the air there for months on end.

Otherwise it looks like a lovely spot in Paradise, and I'm sure the Steinway makes it that much better.


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