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Cost of replacing Steinway B action #2843460
04/29/19 01:02 PM
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How much is a new piano action for a Steinway Model B 1975 (Renner or Steinway)?
Thank you in advance.

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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843474
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In my part of the world, it's around 15,000 euro. However, if some parts can be reused such as brackets and rails, Renner parts themselves aren't madly expensive, but it's time consuming for your tech/rebuilder, so it will still cost a lot.

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843494
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I have heard if you buy a complete top action from Steinway Hamburg, it costs somewhere in the region of £4000, including brackets and tubular rails. That's before fitting. That price could be out of date. If you want the keyboard as well then you can add at least another £4000 for the materials before fitting.

As soon as it's a Steinway piano that you're fitting Steinway parts to, the job becomes much more expensive than if you wanted to use third party parts by say, Tokiwa. The Renner parts bought through Steinway Hamburg are very good by all accounts, as are the keyboards from Kluge.

The other option is rebuilding the action that's in it unless it's completely shot to pieces and would cost more to restore than replace. That's the thing these days, mechanical reliability and labour costs sometimes do make it more cost effective to put new parts in.

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843530
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Originally Posted by PetrusDM
How much is a new piano action for a Steinway Model B 1975 (Renner or Steinway)?
Thank you in advance.

What country are you in - your profile is blank.


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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843565
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If the action on the 1975 Steinway B is original, it's a Telfon action. Steinway also used a lot of lead in the key sticks in that era in their approach to action geometry at the time. As someone else said, the parts themselves are not all that expensive. The labor is where the cost is. When you do a job like this on a piano, it only makes the most economic sense to include other parts of the job depending on your situation condition of the piano. So it depends on what parts of the action your talking about.

Often the keyboard components and action frame is referred to the action stack. All of this really need to be replaces, reconditioned, and regulated at the same time. When I had this done on my Steinway B (1981 with Teflon) the bill was just under $8K US in the Midwest -- as a reference ONLY. That usually includes:

Reweighting (leading) the key sticks
Whippens (repeat mechanism)
Hammer Flanges
Hammers Shanks
Hammers themselves

The other part of the piano action is the damper or back-action. This includes the dampers, felts, and the lift mechanism. If you get into that part of the action, you really need to consider restringing the piano. This then brings in considerations about the condition of the pinblock, the soundboard, and the bridges.

When working on a piano like a Steinway B, one really needs to only talk to rebuilders of the highest caliber with extensive rebuilding experience. Only a rebuilder can assess the condition of the piano and give you your options and costs. There are so many things to consider in the process.

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843580
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The most important thing is who you choose to do action work. I suggest you audition the work of any Tech you are considering hiring.

Then tell them how you want the piano to play, sound, endure and let them choose what work will get you there.

There are likely other issues like V-bar shape that need attention too.


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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: backto_study_piano] #2843709
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I'm from Brazil, but I'm considering to go to USA or Germany in order do buy the piano action.

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843737
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GC13 we don't know if it's a Hamburg or a New York Steinway. If it's a Hamburg it's not a teflon action. Hamburg Steinways were still quite good in the '70s although they're better now.

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843747
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You can buy actions from Steinway, but they need to be fitted to the piano. As Ed said, the person doing the work is the most important factor in the cost, as well as the quality of the work.


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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2843929
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There's the composite option. I would imagine that the tech's time is the same.

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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2844054
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currently, a new action can be installed for approx. $12,500, (Nashville price). I do this with the whole piano in the shop. But, there is much more to consider. Since it is not possible to know what these pianos will sound like until they are redone, don't buy a piano that needs a new action unless you are comfortable gambling. The Steinway piano is not a standard construction, and they are all different in their specifications. This means the musical response is very difficult to define before it is actually a fete accompli. It also means that the finished product's quality and response is more dependent on the skill employed in the restoration than the actual parts used. There is no substitute for experience, and it is usually best to have a competent tech that is locally available to do the work and maintain it.
Regards,

Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: joe80] #2844058
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Originally Posted by joe80
GC13 we don't know if it's a Hamburg or a New York Steinway. If it's a Hamburg it's not a teflon action. Hamburg Steinways were still quite good in the '70s although they're better now.


Good point, Joe80! It did over look that detail! I'm glad you brought that up. wink

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Re: Cost of replacing Steinway B action [Re: PetrusDM] #2844103
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I have the feeling that the OP is not fully aware of what is involved in replacing an action. I think he/she may be thinking you can just screw it in place and you're ready to go.

I could be wrong...but that's what I'm thinking.

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