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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: MacMacMac] #2843963
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I think it's better that you discovered this BEFORE buying.
Buyer's regret is much less painful if you've not yet made the purchase.


Hold this comment for after I’ll actually go to the store and get it. 😄
I’m just very puzzled. smirk

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Sorry if I missed that but did you also test the NV10?
P.S. Just scrolled back and read your opinion after you tested the NV10.

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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2843966
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Originally Posted by thomscot
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I think it's better that you discovered this BEFORE buying.
Buyer's regret is much less painful if you've not yet made the purchase.


Hold this comment for after I’ll actually go to the store and get it. 😄
I’m just very puzzled. smirk

Wait. What does this mean? Did you change your mind again and decide to buy it? laugh


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2844021
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by thomscot
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I think it's better that you discovered this BEFORE buying.
Buyer's regret is much less painful if you've not yet made the purchase.


Hold this comment for after I’ll actually go to the store and get it. 😄
I’m just very puzzled. smirk

Wait. What does this mean? Did you change your mind again and decide to buy it? laugh


I might just go for the “whatever, it’s only money after all!” just buy the damn thing and leave eventual regrets for later.
Lol

Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844046
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Originally Posted by thomscot
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Wait. What does this mean? Did you change your mind again and decide to buy it? laugh

I might just go for the “whatever, it’s only money after all!” just buy the damn thing and leave eventual regrets for later.
Lol

I often go for that. But then I am wracked with anxiety.... the anxiety of how to explain it to the wife! shocked eek laugh


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844063
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Never explain.

Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: MacMacMac] #2844075
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Never explain.

You obviously don't have my wife! wink


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2844117
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by thomscot
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Wait. What does this mean? Did you change your mind again and decide to buy it? laugh

I might just go for the “whatever, it’s only money after all!” just buy the damn thing and leave eventual regrets for later.
Lol

I often go for that. But then I am wracked with anxiety.... the anxiety of how to explain it to the wife! shocked eek laugh


As the old saying goes, it is better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

I think it's ok to buy things as long as one sells things. At least, that's what I tell myself. All of my stuff fits into a one bedroom apartment, how many people can say that? I don't have any storage units, either, I don't even have any storage in my building, there is a twenty year waiting list for a storage unit, lol.

I have a lot of stuff, though, so it is time for me to run some more eBay auctions to decrease the entropy in my apartment and to flatten the spending curve. My rating is over 500 on eBay. I would have drowned in this apartment without eBay or I would have died like the Collyer Brothers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers

So, buy the damn thing and sell the other damn thing. Or, wait five years. ;-) I'm giving myself five years to convince my wife that we need a fine German upright.

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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844160
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I love my N2 but personally would not pay 10K for a new one. Maybe you can have a piano tech check out the used one. Most likely person who owns it has taken care of it. I paid under 10K in 2011 for mine.

Who's to say the new samples in X series are superior. I've already stated I prefer the warmer tone of the CSIII and think the CFX is too bright. Yamaha might of learned how to cut corners for X series that wasn't available for N series.

If you end buying new one then congratulations and enjoy.

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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844171
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I don’t think the CFX samples in the X are “cutting corners”. I get it people have different taste and might prefer the CFIII samples over the CFX but I wouldn’t go as far as to declare the CFX “cutting corners” smile


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: CyberGene] #2844198
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I don’t think the CFX samples in the X are “cutting corners”. I get it people have different taste and might prefer the CFIII samples over the CFX but I wouldn’t go as far as to declare the CFX “cutting corners” smile
I'm not implying the CFX sample is inferior in anyway or corners were cut. I am just responding to the many who keep claiming the N1X is better than the N series cause the CFX must be better and technology and sampling is better.

I almost bought a Grand Touch, Yamaha's first hybrid but I didn't think it sounded good enough for the money. Sampling was dramatically improved for N series over Grand Touch, but I don't think the X series is comparably that much better than N series except for the Binaural sampling.


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844203
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I like the CFIII samples, at least as I remember them. Haven’t had the chance to compare them directly to the CFX samples though. But I think the actual CFX grand has very specific timbre. The one in Garritan is also on the bright side. I also remember the CFX in the Chopin competition, it was bright when needed but at the same time had thick and dark character that’s suitable for Chopin. I personally prefer darker pianos but the CFX somehow manages to be both bright and dark at the same time, as contradictory as it may sound... It would be interesting to know what improvements Yamaha have made in the real CFX compared to their previous flagship the CFIII. Whether it’s the strings or the soundboard or hammers. Or everything smile


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2844526
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thomscot - I recently had this very dilemma and ended up going with the N2. Feel free to message me if you want more opinions. In short, I just liked the sound better despite its age, and I think it is much more aesthetically pleasing than the N1X.

(http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2818080/gonew/1/yamaha-n1x-vs-n2.html)

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Originally Posted by mhy
thomscot - I recently had this very dilemma and ended up going with the N2. Feel free to message me if you want more opinions. In short, I just liked the sound better despite its age, and I think it is much more aesthetically pleasing than the N1X.

(http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2818080/gonew/1/yamaha-n1x-vs-n2.html)


Thanks, I agree pretty much with everything you say. And in the end I think I have just decided to contradict one of my previous posts and just buy a new N2. smile

Will keep you updated.

Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2848218
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Originally Posted by thomscot
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by thomscot
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I think it's better that you discovered this BEFORE buying.
Buyer's regret is much less painful if you've not yet made the purchase.


Hold this comment for after I’ll actually go to the store and get it. 😄
I’m just very puzzled. smirk

Wait. What does this mean? Did you change your mind again and decide to buy it? laugh


I might just go for the “whatever, it’s only money after all!” just buy the damn thing and leave eventual regrets for later.
Lol



And so I did. laugh

Just as an update for everyone who kindly participated to this thread, in the end yesterday "I bought the damn thing".

I went for a new instrument, for a bit less than 10K (just for reference since I bought it in Japanese yen, so talking about USD doesn't make as the rate always changes).

After all the tests and trying many different things the N2 was just my favorite. The sound, the action, and the overall feeling I had playing it was just superior for me to all the others. The N2 only fell short on headphones, as that binaural thing of the -X series is pretty great. Of course, it's always a matter of taste so these comments are just a personal opinion.

On a side note, interestingly just when I was filling the papers I noticed an acoustic upright to which they had installed a system that when switched on, one could actually regulate the volume of the piano. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? The system had a name but I forgot.
I knew of course of the "silent" system that lets you use an acoustic with headphones, but this was different. You had the headphones options PLUS the possibility to adjust the volume if you turned the system on. It was pretty cool.

I was almost tempted, but after all would have been almost the same price as the N2 (I forgot the acoustic piano model, but was around 6/7K without the system installed) and if the point is to play it at lower volume most of the time then the speaker system of the N2 was far superior anyway.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
When you ask any salesman about something they don't sell or that is not available ... they have a ready-made story about how that product is not good, or is being discontinued, or something to the effect that "you don't want that and what you really want is <SOMETHING I SELL GOES HERE>".

So the N2 is being discontinued, says the salesman.
Unsubstantiated drivel, says Mac3.

How do you know when a salesman is lying ... ? smile

What I actually asked was: "Has the N1X arrived yet?" (Long history on this question which I had been asking at this particular store for 2 months already, always with the answer of "no, but soon.") Then when the answer for the first time came back affirmative, I asked, "will I be able to try it side-by-side with the N2 and N3X?" And the answer was, "you can try it next to the N3X, but we sold our last N2 a month ago and are not expecting to restock it. We've heard that Yamaha won't be release an N2X and will be discontinuing it soon, although if you want one, we can still order one for you since it is still being listed on the Yamaha website as available for purchase - you just won't be able to try it in the store."

Not that I really need to try it in the store. I did try the N2 in that particular store back in December already. I just had wanted to a side-by-side comparison with the N1X to see how far the sound improved since the N1/N2 generation of 10 years ago.

I wanted to update this with the results of my latest investigations. I bought the N1X at my local Yamaha dealer today. After the salesman charged almost $9K to my card and I became a proud owner of the N1X, although still needing it to be delivered we had the following short conversation (rewording slightly):

"When I called, you mentioned that if I wanted to further upgrade, you allow full value trade-ins for a period of time. That does apply to this purchase, doesn't it?"
"Yes, if you decide you want to upgrade to acoustical grand, we definitely accept trade-ins."
"Good, because I've heard that the N2X might be coming out for Summer NAMM, and I might want to trade up when it does."
"Since we carry and sell all the Avantgrands, we asked Yamaha America when we could expect the N2X, and we were told there will be no N2X. There will only ever be an N2."

(Regarding "carrying and selling all the Avantgrands," I checked in the showroom and they had the N1X, N3X, and NU1X, but indeed had no N2.)

Again, this is only but a single data point. Use it at your own risk.


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Re: Would you buy a Yamaha N2 today? [Re: thomscot] #2848227
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Congrats!

I expect you may be referring to "TransAcoustic" - which is the name of Yamaha's acoustic instruments with silencing and soundboard amplification features. Kawai "AnytimeX" and "AURES" instrument offer the same functionality.

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There will be no N2X.

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There will be no N2X.

Sure there will - if only to make sense of the gap between n1x and n3x. Yamaha just likes to take their time. There's (some) method in their madness.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
There will be no N2X.

I'm sure glad I didn't wait for it!


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