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Looking for a synth #2842855
04/27/19 07:17 AM
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Que onda amigos?

I am looking for some kind of synthesizer that allow me to play classical music with funny sounds.
This is a recent interest of me and im totally new into this so i have no idea about.

I do not pretend to make electronic music. I do not need arpegiators, loops , sequencers.

I just want some fun dealing with those waves, filters, oscillators so i have some variety of sounds when practicing my Bach.

I have looked to stuff like Behringer model D but specs says just 1 voice of polyphony. So no polyphony at all. Maybe it is me not understanding correctly this things. But could i play this synthesizer the same way i play a digital piano? Or the 1 note polyphony makes it imposible.

So this is it. Looking for a synthesizer to play classical. Mainly Bach.


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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2842872
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Lots of synths are monophonic. Many are only a couple notes polyphonic. It's easier to get more polyphony with software synths than hardware synths. For many hardware synths, each note of polyphony means duplicating all the hardware for that note, oscillators, effects, etc. so you don't get the polyphony or much of it. If a synth is especially fat sounding it'd often just sound messy if you had a lot of polyphony too.

Modular synths are mostly monophonic or very low polyphonic due to the duplicating hardware thing. People who want polyphonic modular have to pay a premium.

Anyway, there are polyphonic synths out there that can handle a lot of notes, but your selection will not be everything you see. laugh







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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2842885
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Behringer has the Deep Mind synths which are available with 6 or 12 note polyphony. Virtual Analog can cost effectively have more polyphony, so for example the Studiologic Studio Sledge has 24, and Roland Gaia has 64. These all have very "knobby" interfaces to make it easy and fun to experiment.

Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2842920
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Thankyou guys. That's been helpful. I will check the software options and the mention models.

Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843034
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On the other hand FM synthesis can be as polyphonic as you like and is just as capable of producing "funny sounds". A decent and reasonably affordable synth is Yamaha's MODX.


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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2843212
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Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
On the other hand FM synthesis can be as polyphonic as you like and is just as capable of producing "funny sounds". A decent and reasonably affordable synth is Yamaha's MODX.



Looks like a superb machine but it has many things i don't need. Does yamaha produce some machine with the same synthesis capabilities as modx but in a non keyboard format?

Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843239
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A question:

. . . (a) Do you want to develop sounds yourself,

. . . (b) or would you be content with choosing from (say) 1,000 sounds included in the manufacturer's sound library ?

If (b), a kind of synth called a "ROMpler" (which essentially plays back samples) would do the job. It's easy to find those with high polyphony counts -- easily high enough for Bach, with a pedal in use.

An example of such would be a Yamaha MX88 (there are less-expensive versions with fewer keys -- but the MX 88 has a fully-weighted keyboard).(*)

If (a), you need a fully-programmable synth. For _any_ such synth (unless it's computer-based), there will be a polyphony limit -- essentially, how many pitches can be sounding at once.

Since you have only ten fingers, you might expect that a polyphony of 10 would be adequate for anything. But many sounds keep going after their key is released, and most synths offer a "sustain" pedal (that works like a piano's "damper" pedal). So it's easy to play something that needs 20 or so simultaneous pitches.

The Studiologic Sledge 2.0 (mentioned above) is a reasonable choice, in that realm.

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. . Does yamaha produce some machine with the same synthesis capabilities as modx but in a non keyboard format?


Without a keyboard, how are you going to "play" Bach ? You don't mention that you already own a MIDI-capable keyboard.

(*) -- if the MX-series _is_ fully-programmable, I apologize for the error. I don't think it is.




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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843258
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Originally Posted by Snail
Looks like a superb machine but it has many things i don't need. Does yamaha produce some machine with the same synthesis capabilities as modx but in a non keyboard format?


Might be worth looking at the Yamaha Reface DX. A cheap but capable FM synth which, although it does have a miniature keyboard, can also be used as a sound generator for an external MIDI controller.


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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843286
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If you're really wanting polyphony but don't want to pay a lot software synths are the way to go. You might even consider ipad synths. Or a laptop with synths and an external controller for knobs.

Or if you want hardware without keys but with knobs and decent polyphony I haven't tried them but the Novation Peak looks worth looking into, or for the lowest price the Behringer Deepmind.


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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843341
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Originally Posted by Snail
Que onda amigos?

I am looking for some kind of synthesizer that allow me to play classical music with funny sounds.
This is a recent interest of me and im totally new into this so i have no idea about.

I do not pretend to make electronic music. I do not need arpegiators, loops , sequencers.

I just want some fun dealing with those waves, filters, oscillators so i have some variety of sounds when practicing my Bach.

I have looked to stuff like Behringer model D but specs says just 1 voice of polyphony. So no polyphony at all. Maybe it is me not understanding correctly this things. But could i play this synthesizer the same way i play a digital piano? Or the 1 note polyphony makes it imposible.

So this is it. Looking for a synthesizer to play classical. Mainly Bach.



Quickest solution (cost effective): buy a used arranger keyboard!
No issues with polyphony, plenty of sound options.


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Re: Looking for a synth [Re: Snail] #2843347
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I've downloaded a couple of free software synths. I'll check them when i have time and will see. If this is not just a temporary gas thing and i become able to do some sinth stuff i probably will get some deep mind or similar.


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