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bluesy #2843114
04/28/19 05:04 AM
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Just invented a 12-bar chord progression to play on.
Sounds bluesy but isn't a blues.

|| Am7 | Am7 A7 | Dm9 | % |
| G9sus | G7alt | CMA7 | C7alt |
| F713 | % | E7alt | % ||

http://www.cisum.info/bluesy.mp3


Maybe somebody likes to write a theme on it?

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Re: bluesy [Re: Cudo] #2843116
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One of the hallmarks of the classic blues harmony is a change of tonic in the fifth bar .

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Originally Posted by Nahum
One of the hallmarks of the classic blues harmony is a change of tonic in the fifth bar .

What you want to say? You hear this as a blues form?

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Originally Posted by Cudo
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What you want to say? You hear this as a blues form?
No.

Re: bluesy [Re: Cudo] #2843558
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My chord progression has a change of tonic in the fifth bar and is not a blues form. So why you said this?

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Originally Posted by Cudo
My chord progression has a change of tonic in the fifth bar and is not a blues form. So why you said this?


Your chord progression | G9sus | G7alt | CMA7 | proves that CMAJ7  - tonic.

Re: bluesy [Re: Cudo] #2844599
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First 8 bars sounds like "All The Things" to me.


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hi Wes, hi to Lisa and you, hope you guys are well)

Dave Frank

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Originally Posted by Cudo


Sounds bluesy but isn't a blues.

There is nothing sound like 12 bar blues, neither harmony nor structure.

Shipwrecked Blues by Spencer Williams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxX-IKW6X0


4 bars
Oh, the || (Gm) gale is raging |(D7 ) and my ship's without a | | (Gm) sail./ / /| / / / Oh, the

4 bars
(Cm)|gale is raging | (D7) and my ship's without a | (Gm) sail./ / / | / / / If the |

4 bars
|(Cm) wind keeps on a-blowing,| (D7) I won't be left to tell the |(Gm)tale ./ / / | / / /(D7)Now my ||...




Standard jazz blues


||: Tonic C7 | F7 | C7 | C7 |

|S-dominant F7 | F7 | Tonic C7 | Em7 A7 |

| Dm7 | Dominant G7 | C7 (A7 | D7 G7) :||





Bird changes




|: Tonic CM7 | Bm7♭5 E7 | Tonic substitution Am7 D7 | Gm7 C7 |

| Subdominant F7 | Fm7 B♭7 | Tonic substitution Em7 A7 | E♭m7 A♭7 |

| Dm7 | Dominant G7 | Tonic CM7 ( A7 | Dm7 G7) :||



All Blues


https://www.swiss-jazz.ch/standards-jazz/AllBlues.pdf

Re: bluesy [Re: Cudo] #2845054
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In the opening post I said it's NOT a blues.

Could somebody close this senseless thread please?

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Originally Posted by Dfrankjazz
hi Wes, hi to Lisa and you, hope you guys are well)

Dave Frank

Hi Dave,

Yes, we are doing well. Lisa's been hitting the bass pretty hard lately.

Hope you're doing well too.


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Great, blessings and keep swingin) You can suggest that she stop hitting it and play it though hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Cudo

In the opening post I said it's NOT a blues.

Could somebody close this senseless thread please?



Not at all!

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My 2 cents...

In my opinion there's the music, and then there's how people analyze it and how they label it.

I've listened to a whole heck of lot of blues in my life. In my opinion, a blues doesn't necessarily have to have a specific structure. To my ears a static dominant chord (another label) can tilt a song into blues territory. There doesn't have to necessarily be a dominant (V chord - another label) resolving to a tonic. These lines can be blurred.

Applying legalistic rules to music, can lead to uncreative legalistic music. Many Beatles songs that aren't strict Blues in a classic sense, are basically blues or blues-based in my mind. Blues musicians in the 1920's mostly followed conventions that had been established. Someone came along later and analyzed and labeled characteristics in the music.

Conventions and rules can be invitations to be broken .

The Beatles:

Hey Bulldog



Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
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Originally Posted by indigo_dave

My 2 cents...

In my opinion there's the music, and then there's how people analyze it and how they label it.

I've listened to a whole heck of lot of blues in my life. In my opinion, a blues doesn't necessarily have to have a specific structure. To my ears a static dominant chord (another label) can tilt a song into blues territory. There doesn't have to necessarily be a dominant (V chord - another label) resolving to a tonic. These lines can be blurred.


Let me correct myself - I meant to say a "static dominant 7th chord" can tilt a song into blues territory.

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I happened to think of another example of my more elastic view of what can be blues. To my ears this song has no V chord. And besides the extended tonic - G (no 3rd) moving back and forth to F (I do an Fsus , I play and sing this song in the key of G ...more of a piano key then a guitar key) this song descends (in root movement) perfect 4ths, from Bb to F to C to G all major chords. There's not a V chord to be found,

But in my musical world view this is totally a blues song. Just like species evolve, language evolves. And music evolves over time. My opinion.



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