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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: CyberGene] #2827792
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
That’s a professional gigging controller with a built in flight case. It would be my last choice for a learning kid.

I agree, it's a rather high price for stuff a young beginner simply doesn't need and it's so heavy, that a child can't even lift it.

There are much better options in both the portable and the console sector when considering this price bracket.


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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: HTK] #2828012
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Originally Posted by HTK
Recently I see a good deal of a Kawai MP11. It is a demo model with price reduction. But a KAWAI MP11 would be overkill for MIDI controller, but for training maybe the best.


Did you consider the VPC1?

It should be ideal as a piano controller (especially if you already have a secondary semi-weighted controller), and probably more piano-like than the Akai or Studiologic boards.

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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Kawai James] #2828074
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by HTK
Recently I see a good deal of a Kawai MP11. It is a demo model with price reduction. But a KAWAI MP11 would be overkill for MIDI controller, but for training maybe the best.


Did you consider the VPC1?

It should be ideal as a piano controller (especially if you already have a secondary semi-weighted controller), and probably more piano-like than the Akai or Studiologic boards.

Kind regards,
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Of course. Initially I would like to order VPC1 but when I read the announcement of Road88, I thought that would better cover both use cases than VPC1. That's the main reason why I get disappointed when I found the truth about the original announcement. Of course, my first reaction was that now I ask the seller to switch to VPC1, then suddenly I noticed that VPC1 just went completely off from his offers.

The aspect to look like piano is less important. In our home studio room visually a piano looking gear would be more like a cuckoo, but still ok.
My semi-weighted controller is just an M-Audio AXIOM 49 and may make sense to change, especially the 4 octave sometimes is too small.

Still not yet decided what to do, but I have to very soon.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: HTK] #2828086
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Originally Posted by HTK
Initially I would like to order VPC1 but when I read the announcement of Road88, I thought that would better cover both use cases than VPC1.


May I ask why?

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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Kawai James] #2828121
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The two use cases would be the following. I am using mainly for music production and I need a 88 keys, preferably with modwheels. Our child wants to learn piano.

The child has already a real upright piano but now we are in Switzerland for several years and especially in this country is more problematic if someone makes disturbing noise for neighbourhoods. Therefore for a few years we need an electronic substitution.

For me, VPC1 simply does not fit under the table top. It would fit a Komplete S88 or AKAI Road 88. VPC1 clearly requires a different place where is just that.

If the action feeling of Road would be acceptable for learning, at least for 1-2 years, I think now it is not necessary to have too many rigs around. Moreover, if we see that the child really shines with piano learning, later eventually we can decide to select an individual model just for him.

What I would like to avoid, to just invest now for him in a VPC1 while I also have to, just because that doesn't have mod-wheels, does not fit close to my desk (under the tabletop). In addition VPC1 keybed is shorter than Kawai MP11 and now the current demo version I would be able to buy just with less than 400 difference.

I tend to resonate to the following. I would not cancel the oder of new Road 88. Let see if it would be good for piano learning, at least in the first 1-2 years. Then I would choose a second one if necessary.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2828122
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.. and I did not mentioned that sometimes kids in the music school they bring their rigs (practically parents bring for them) and make some programs. Is not excluded that for me will be necessary to move sometimes. And of course at home, is not too hard to move around if I really would like to not be under my mixing table. Right now I already have several rigs (mainly mics and recording devices) which I move around when necessary.

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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2828123
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HTK, thank you very much for your detailed explanation. I can understand why the VPC1 may not be ideally suited to your needs.

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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2834700
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Heres a review from Sweetwater. It's one person's view but at this time it is the only review in English.

Lacking on one Important Point.

I love this thing and almost everything about it, but it has one critical flaw. The action is very much on the heavy side (heavier than a Korg RH3), which I was ready to deal with. But the touch sensitivity is skewed hard to the light side of things. As a result it is absolutely impossible to play expressively. I physically can't play light enough (because of the weight of the keys) to drop the note velocity down. As a result, its like I'm banging away at over 100 velocity all the time. I can compress the velocity using the velocity plugin in Ableton, but I still don't have a good controllable range, it just drops my overall velocity lower, and gives me weird spikes to 127. I would rather play my synth action Novation SL MKIII with pianos than this (and I don't ever like synth action for piano stuff) It sucks, but it's not playable for me to use with piano libraries. I really wish this wasn't the case, I love everything else about this board. It was exactly what I wanted otherwise. Unfortunately I'll be sending it back.


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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2838635
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It's interesting that only one review does exists since a long time.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: HTK] #2838731
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Interesting, but...28.8 kg?? WTF? They're definitely stuck in the '90s. Much like Kawai, sadly.


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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Manolios] #2839279
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Originally Posted by Manolios
Much like Kawai, sadly.


May I ask you to elaborate, please?

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2839427
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Some issues with this 'Road 88' why are the wheels beside the keys? Not only does it needlessly lengthen the board, but you need gorilla arms to use it since many synth leads where you would want it are usually played in the upper registers. Lack of controls, if your going to play instruments that need a pitch bend, don't ya think other controls might be appropriate here? If it has inputs to the interface wouldn't an input level control be appropriate? Or at least transport controls since the purpose of the audio interface is for use with a DAW?

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Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Kbeaumont] #2842894
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Manolios
Much like Kawai, sadly.


May I ask you to elaborate, please?

Kind regards,
James
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I think he means the weight... 28kg for the mpk, thats almost as heavy as the mp11
Yet still peopledont realise that if you build them lighter, its allways a trade off for quallity
There is a reason the mp11 is liked by many including me..


Originally Posted by Kbeaumont
Some issues with this 'Road 88' why are the wheels beside the keys? Not only does it needlessly lengthen the board, but you need gorilla arms to use it since many synth leads where you would want it are usually played in the upper registers. Lack of controls, if your going to play instruments that need a pitch bend, don't ya think other controls might be appropriate here? If it has inputs to the interface wouldn't an input level control be appropriate? Or at least transport controls since the purpose of the audio interface is for use with a DAW?


Most keyboardist still prefer them to the side, just read keyboard reviews that have them on the top, there ia allways people commenting negatively about this...

The lack of controlls on the top however is a blessing for people that want 2 keys straight on top of eachother...
This way, you can have a very compact setup with an 88 key and a 61/76 organ/synth action on top.
It would suit me very well


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Also my opinion on the non graded hammer action..
This is because the keyboard is meant to play both piano and synth/organ parts
The same trade off can be seen keyboard workstations with 88 keys
Like Yamaha’s montage8 and Korg Kronos.

With this design choice, people need that there is more to playing keys on stage then just piano...



I think its about time, we get some user feedback from people that played this instrument keyboard.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2845367
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Finally a proper review: https://www.harmonycentral.com/expert-reviews/akai-professional-mpk-road-88-keyboard-controller.
It’s been a long and somewhat uncertain wait. I'm expecting my Road 88 in a couple of weeks and this review was really welcome.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Rhodes72] #2845436
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Originally Posted by Rhodes72
Finally a proper review: https://www.harmonycentral.com/expert-reviews/akai-professional-mpk-road-88-keyboard-controller.
It’s been a long and somewhat uncertain wait. I'm expecting my Road 88 in a couple of weeks and this review was really welcome.

Nice find. I've had my eye on this keyboard for a while now, but I was put off by the two Sweetwater reviews complaining about its velocity curve. Based on the article you linked, it looks like its velocity curve is adjustable after all.
There are a couple testimonies on the gearslutz thread: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/pro...road-88-hammer-action-midi-keyboard.html
It appears that the keys have high initial starting weight, which reminds me of how people describe Yamaha actions.

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2845723
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In their forums I also clarified some aspects, such as graded or not graded.
https://www.harmonycentral.com/foru...sional-s-new-mpk-road-88-midi-controller

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: brooster] #2862845
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I thought Road 88 could be interesting, but for me it seems impossible to find qualified information on the action. No pictures, no tech statements only the usual marketing bla-bla. So I tried to reach them, and found on the top of all the embarrassing lack of contact / support possibility from the manufacturer. I just wasted 30 minutes on trying to contact the AKAI Pro. No existing E-Mail contact on the website, only a contact form which does not work - that you realized after fill out the form of course wink Only possibility is the blue F fck-book. I am not crazy enough to use that (yet) wink So serious? They want my money, and even do not offer pre-sale support? So I do not event try to imagine how the post sale support will go laugh

Re: Akai Pro MPK Road 88 [Re: Manolios] #2862846
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Originally Posted by Manolios
Interesting, but...28.8 kg?? WTF? They're definitely stuck in the '90s. Much like Kawai, sadly.

Fully agree with you!
And not only regarding the weight. And definitely not only AKAI and KAWAI. Almost everyone of the manufacturers;)
I think Roland still try new things, even Studiologic (but not the Fatar action itself). The rest however is quite ridiculous selling us the '90ish look, feel and technology every 2-3 years as a brand new model laugh

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One comment on weight: it is not necessarily the keybed that weighs that much. When I took my Kawai ES8 apart, the keybed mechanics felt like weighing less than half the total weight. The steel enclosure that is rock solid that is responsible for most of the weight.


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Originally Posted by Bachus

Yet still peopledont realise that if you build them lighter, its allways a trade off for quallity


I am not aware of any serious hard evidence of correlation between weight and quality.

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