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Originally Posted by David B


Mine collects dust like crazy. I have to dust scratch it two to three times a day. It's a phenomenon.

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Be careful, very careful how you do this or you’ll end up with a myriad of tiny swirls in the sheen visible in bright light. I have a PE finished piano and learned to love the dust, and fingerprints.

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Mine collects dust like crazy. I have to dust scratch it two to three times a day. It's a phenomenon.

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Be careful, very careful how you do this or you’ll end up with a myriad of tiny swirls in the sheen visible in bright light. I have a PE finished piano and learned to love the dust, and fingerprints.


I've already noticed quite a few small scratches. Isn't there anyway to buff small scratches out of the finish?

It's just some type of wood (I don't believe it's actual ebony, maybe birch?) painted black and some form of clear coat finish. Why can't the small scratches be buffed out with a soft cloth and some polish/compound?

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There are several old threads covering the care and repair of different finishes. For example for PE here and here, but there are others that might be worth reading.

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Remember that PE (short for "Polished Ebony") is not a material name, but just a name for the color. It is just marketing lingo meaning "shiny black".

The actual material to create a PE look may differ. These days it is usually done with a polyester clear coat but lacquer is also in use (but I doubt that it is used for any DPs). Polyester is actually quite durable (more so than lacquer). So if you want to be absolutely sure about how to take care of the finish, make sure to find out if you are indeed dealing with polyester PE and then look up the care instruction for a polyester finish.
Also, IIRC from what I've read on PW, buffing out scratches from a polyester coat is essentially impossible to DIY.
(EDIT: Or at least very difficult. Here's an old thread about buffing polyester PE.)

Personally, I'm using the following routine for cleaning (but not too often - only every few weeks):

I have three different microfiber cloths that I don't use for anything else than cleaning the piano, and that each has its dedicated step (i.e. I don't mix them, so I made sure to have cloths of different colors):

The first one is very soft and fluffy. I use this to dust off the piano before cleaning, so that most of the particles that can create scratches are gone. And when dusting, I only touch the piano lightly, without any pressure (essentially just the weight of the cloth itself).

The other two are normal microfiber cloths. One is wet with a spray of a cleaning agent (I use this one, but similar ones are surely fine too), which I use to gently rub/clean the surface, the other is dry which I use to (immediately) dry off the moisture from the first (to avoid streaks).

Also, I usually try to avoid to put objects (or books, etc.) on top of the piano. Even soft ones that wouldn't scratch by themselves, but might create scratches when rubbing against the dust that has already collected.

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Funny, I have almost exactly the same process as JoBert. And I use Windex (sprayed onto the cloth and not directly on the piano) for removal of anything left over from the initial dusting--it dries workout leaving streaks.


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Funny, I have almost exactly the same process as JoBert. And I use Windex (sprayed onto the cloth and not directly on the piano) for removal of anything left over from the initial dusting--it dries workout leaving streaks.

Has anyone tried an antistatic spray to see if that would help with dust accumulation?


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We use air purifiers to control indoor dust and pollen. They make a huge difference.

The big Honeywell "branded" units are effective but somewhat noisy.

We now have the new Sharp units as the motors are very quiet and the units are not so expensive. The fans get noisy when the filters need replacing. The OEM filters are a bit pricey but last a long time; you can also just DIY tape in commercial filters for a few dollars albeit it takes some time and the filtration is less effective.

http://www.air-purifier-power.com/doityourselfhepadyi120510.html

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I think even if I had the money to go for the PE finish on a piano I wouldn't. The dust and smudges from finger oils on the surface would just bug me too much. I spend enough time cleaning my glasses.

So though the non PE surfaces don't look immediately so nice I will be less annoyed by the finger marks and dust being less obvious on them when they are in use.

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Originally Posted by KevinM
I think even if I had the money to go for the PE finish on a piano I wouldn't. The dust and smudges from finger oils on the surface would just bug me too much. I spend enough time cleaning my glasses.

So though the non PE surfaces don't look immediately so nice I will be less annoyed by the finger marks and dust being less obvious on them when they are in use.

Well I’m a bit OCD about tidiness, minimalistic, clean, things in order and their ‘right’ place. Slowly getting better as I age and some interesting life experiences. You could write your name in the dust on my DP, also my grandchildren have free access. The dust and fingerprints doesn’t bother me at all, it once did. It once did. It once really did mad The music and practice is what it’s for, it’s an instrument, although I think also quite an attractive piece of furniture. Thinking now about digging out the cleaning kit. Just thinking though. wink

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I will say the camera really accentuates the dust and other marks. The pictures where it looks like a liquid must be sweat from the movers (yuck!) You can’t see it with the naked eye but now I want to scrub it down...


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I will say the camera really accentuates the dust and other marks. The pictures where it looks like a liquid must be sweat from the movers (yuck!) You can’t see it with the naked eye but now I want to scrub it down...

Yep, that's what I had originally guessed for photos 1 & 3, but maybe not the movers wink


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I’m also one of those OCD guys but after having a kid you either change or better jump from a bridge smile The daughter is so destructive... I simply accepted the objects are, well, objects smile I clean porridge from the external surfaces of my N1X on daily basis but at least for now she’s not tall enough to pour it over the keys. Or the wife didn’t tell me, knowing me well laugh

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I will say the camera really accentuates the dust and other marks. The pictures where it looks like a liquid must be sweat from the movers (yuck!) You can’t see it with the naked eye but now I want to scrub it down...


They shouldn't have been handling the piano in that location. If they were lifting it up from there, that could account for a possible structural integrity issue. The assembly instructions in the manual show where to lift from and that is underneath the main unit.

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I’m also one of those OCD guys but after having a kid you either change or better jump from a bridge smile The daughter is so destructive... I simply accepted the objects are, well, objects smile I clean porridge from the external surfaces of my N1X on daily basis but at least for now she’s not tall enough to pour it over the keys. Or the wife didn’t tell me, knowing me well laugh

Well, my friend, I hope one day you don't return home from work and find some of the piano keys sticking. Having a daughter, who of course, once upon a time, was the age of yours, I know that they want nothing better than to pour the porridge or the contents of their sippy cup on any object which doesn't like porridge or sippy cup contents poured on it!


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Thanks.

I just ordered their Cleaning Kit.

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Originally Posted by David B


Thanks.

I just ordered their Cleaning Kit.

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That’s exactly what I have. Once a week is more than enough.



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Thanks.

I just ordered their Cleaning Kit.

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That’s exactly what I have. Once a week is more than enough.

You guys are making me feel bad for not even dusting the NV10 regularly smile.

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A satin black NV10 would be cheaper and easier on the dust.

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My piano is PE finished ... and I don't have ANY issue with the dust.

But my wife does.

Every second week comes "dusting day". Everything gets dusted.
She uses one of those long fluffy sticks. (Long ago they'd have feathers doing the work, but these days they have some synthetic shamalamabob material for that.)

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