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The fact it’s so slim and so light, yet has weighted keys and speakers and costs just €600 is indeed tempting for a gigging machine to me. But the sound quality is awful to my ears. I’m currently considering a Dexibell P3 (can have it for €700) or S3 (€800), also very lightweight and the sounds are light years ahead. But maybe the Casio keyboard is better despite the short pivot.
My new PX-S3000 just arrived. I downloaded Chordana Play for Piano onto my Android phone and connected via USB cable. When I select "Piano Remote Controller" on the app, I get this error message: "Connection error. This function requires a connection to a compatible digital piano" The app does display the PX-S3000 manual, so it is apparently up to date. Yes, the USB cable is good, and fully seated on both ends.
The port on the piano end is USB "type B" which is square shape (most printers use this). To connect your phone, you would need a USB type B to micro cable (or whatever your phone uses). This kind of cable is rare, so you can also use some kind of adapter to make it work (e.g. type B to type A cable plus a type A to Micro USB adapter).
I found this YouTube vid interesting (except for the stupid childish noises they made when swapping keyboards around)
Andertons music store in UK, blindfolded someone and got him to try, then rate 5 pianos.
He rated Kronos last, then the Montage, then RD 2000, then the Casio CDP-S100 (costs just £329), and finally as the best, The Nord Piano 4.
I had a Kronos 88, and while I loved the sounds, I didn’t like the key bed and couldn’t understand how so many people praised it. It didn’t feel like the sort of quality of keyboard I felt should be on an instrument costing that much. I sold it due to this.
Of course this wasn’t under scientific conditions, but it does imply that brand name can play a big part in the players opinion of the Keyboard, rather than what it actually feels like.
Or to put it another way, if he knew what he was playing, I wonder if the Casio would have still come above thand Kronos, montage and rd 2000?
Fun video but I would not take the results too seriously. Even the order in which keyboards are played may affect results.
That said, I agree Nord sounded fuller but I wonder how realistic it is piano-wise. It sounded like the decay was slow and that could contribute (at least in part) to the perception of better piano sound.
Thanks, ap215. I did not notice that the USB Type A connector on the keyboard was only for Flash Drives. Seems like a strange design choice to use the square USB connector, but I will get the correct cable and try again. That must be my problem (Chordana does not recognize the keyboard). Thanks!
FI agree Nord sounded fuller but I wonder how realistic it is piano-wise. It sounded like the decay was slow and that could contribute (at least in part) to the perception of better piano sound.
I think this is probably a case of "perception is reality." If something seems more like a real piano--for whatever reason--then it is accomplishing its goal. And in fact, a too-quick decay is often what makes a DP seem less realistic than the real thing.
Also worth noting (since this is the PX-S1000/3000 thread) that the Casio in that video was not one of those, but the lower end CDP-S100 which does not have as sophisticated a piano sound as the PXs.
Yesterday, I just received the PX-3000. A really well built keyboard. The keybed feels great. The key movement is clean with no wobble and symetrical key spacing. It feels really good. The slightly shorter key pivot point (1/8") is really not that bad. Of course, try it yourselves. As far as two sensor vs three sensor discussion, it acts like it's a three sensor. We know it's not, but whatever they're doing the keys quickly trigger without returning the key all the way up. It works as well as my SL88 three sensor controller. Actually, I like the keybed better on the PX-S3000. The SL SL88 Studio keybed is on the noisy side, the PX-S3000 is one of the quietest keybeds I've played.
The Piano samples... The default power on acoustic piano sample (P001 GrPnoConcert) overall sounds good. It's well balanced from low register on up. My only complaint with this sample is that starting around middle C and up this octave, there's a bit a of a midrange plunkiness to the sound. It's not horrible, but audible. I love the lower and upper octave registers of this piano sound. It's quite real. Also, bear in mind, this is with no adjustments to the sound. I'm not saying adjusting settings can help this C4 (assuming C4 is middle C) to C5 octave (or so). It's certainly worth trying.
The good news... The Stage Piano preset! There's a lot of clarity in this sample across the keyboard. It really sits well in a mix. Also, I do not hear the plunkiness (for lack of a better description) in the C4 (middle)-C5 range. I would gig with this keyboard. This piano preset is my #1 reason for keeping this slab. I plan on making a couple presets with the Stage Piano preset. I'll try to make one with a bit more warmth using the settings. The Stage Piano preset kind of reminds me of some of Yamaha's better AP samples (on more expensive keyboards). I may even like it more...
The EP tones.... I wasn't a huge fan of the EP tones. Since I just got this damn thing and don't really have a clue on editing tones (at this point), I didn't have a chance to work on any adjustments. I'm not sure why Casio chose to torture all their EP sounds and didn't offer a clean rhodes program. It may be possible, I just have not tried...as of yet.
The same goes for organ tones. From what users just mentioned, it appears possible to clean up the organs and get what we're looking for. I'll hopefully will also get around to creating some decent organ patches.
This thing is built VERY WELL. It's also quite a good looking keyboard. The drum rhythm sounds (and accompaniment) are cheesy... In this day and age, why can't they include real drum and backing tracks. If memory is the reason (which is a poor excuse), just offer them as a download for storing to USB thumbdrive and have the software point to this location.
For reference, I also currently own: Yamaha ES-8 Yamaha P515 Yamaha MOXF6 StudioLogic SL88 Studio Spectrasonics Keyscape NI Noire NI THE GRANDEUR Many more VSTs, but the above are some of the better.
One request: Can you chime-in how you feel about the keybed and general piano sound in a head-to-head comparison with the Yamaha P515? (I'm considering both and the Yamaha is nowhere to be found to try out.)
There are plenty of opportunities to hear both boards in the numerous well-recorded demos out there. I also could not find a 515 anywhere to try. I did finally locate a PX-1000 to try the other day. I felt that the black notes suffered by the short pivot point if you played them to close to the ‘fallboard’. That may bother me more than you, depending on how you play. It sounded surprisingly good through the internal speakers.
So anyway, I ordered the Yamaha 515 (Home Bundle Plus) today, breaking my rule of not buying something that I haven’t played. I have played the same action on another instrument, I’m not expecting any surprises. Can’t wait, might have it by Saturday.
rintincop: Thanks for posting those edits. I've pretty much decided to purchase the 3000 and piano, jazz organ and Rhodes are the three sounds I'll want. Hopefully I can figure out out to do the editing and registration!