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Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) #2841968
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Have been considering various DPs and have had a hard time deciding - in the end I decided on a purely VST driven setup and ordered a VPC1 that should be with me in a months time.
Will be interesting to try a VST based setup after having tried both a regular DP and an acoustic.
I will probably go through a few different speaker configurations to see what works for me. First iteration is a rather nice pair of Dali Ikon mk2 speakers paired with a decent Nad amp.

Shall report back with pics and impressions when everything is set up.

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Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2841973
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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
Have been considering various DPs and have had a hard time deciding - in the end I decided on a purely VST driven setup and ordered a VPC1 that should be with me in a months time.
Will be interesting to try a VST based setup after having tried both a regular DP and an acoustic.
I will probably go through a few different speaker configurations to see what works for me. First iteration is a rather nice pair of Dali Ikon mk2 speakers paired with a decent Nad amp.

Shall report back with pics and impressions when everything is set up.

Good for you. I am completely enjoying mine now for the past few days. Practicing about 2-3 hours daily on it. The headphone option is such a blessing. Both Pianoteq and Ravenscroft are superb on the VPC-1. I have been using the standard USB midi cable that came shipped with it and it is fine. No latency issues as far as I can tell and no crackling or popping with meaty classic music. I think a SSD (drive) may make a difference so if you can have that installed in your laptop/desktop that might be a good thing. I have a 2011 mac mini i3 2.5 ghz and both these VSTs work fine with it.

Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2841974
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I have a spare MacBook Pro with an I7, 16 gigs of ram and 500 GB SSD already permanently hooked up to the amp via the DAC so I’m ready smile
Already bought and installed Ravenscroft and will probably get Pianoteq as well so I can see how I like modeled piano.
Good times - I do enjoy picking out and setting up stuff smile

Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843630
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Great choice and it will ever be obsolete. I’ve had a VPC1 for years. It is a tank and the action is better than nearly all digitals and many acoustics.


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Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843666
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Yes I quite like the idea of an evergreen keyboard with no tone generator that will be obsoleted smile I do like to tinker with stuff so I look forward to many a good hour spent auditioning various speakers etc.

Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843716
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I got a VPC1 2 years ago, I have and have had many keyboards, both synth and piano, I really like the feel and I thoroughly enjoy practicing on it with the various VST's. I have never been able to afford a good acoustic, upright or grand, but have played on some. The VPC delivered to me a reliable, good feeling and quiet keyboard thats very responsive and invites playing. I would buy another in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
Have been considering various DPs and have had a hard time deciding - in the end I decided on a purely VST driven setup and ordered a VPC1 that should be with me in a months time.
Will be interesting to try a VST based setup after having tried both a regular DP and an acoustic.
I will probably go through a few different speaker configurations to see what works for me. First iteration is a rather nice pair of Dali Ikon mk2 speakers paired with a decent Nad amp.

Shall report back with pics and impressions when everything is set up.



Hey I noticed from your posts that you order vpc1, what made you change your mind from this older post about vsts?

1. Did you some how change something in the setup to feel more connected to vsts, or did you realize you value more options of sounds?
2. Also, how do you like the k300, how is the action compared to vpc1 (better/worse)?

Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
I had the exact same experience when I tried Pianoteq with my F-140. I really really liked the sound - especially with headphone - but the onboard sounds just “feel” much better.
Not sure if it’s the minuscule latency, the changed velocity curve or simply that I’ve grown used to how the F-140 plays with onboard sounds.
Not that it matters terribly much at this point as I’ve ordered a K300 and will be selling the Roland.


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Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843757
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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
... I do like to tinker with stuff so I look forward to many a good hour spent auditioning various speakers etc.


Well, in that case …. the VPC1 is perfect for you.

You will be kept busy swapping out speakers, headphones, audio interfaces, software generators, etc ….

And …. don't forget the litany of software parameters and velocity curves you can tinker with in an effort to get a "better" sound.

Enjoy



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Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843766
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Hi Jitin,

I love my K300 - and if money was no object I would have bought it and kept it. Sadly I am not in a position to buy an expensive acoustic so I rented it to at least try having a "real" instrument.
The VPC1 is an experiment - it seems to me that a controller made for the purpose with velocity curves that are tailor made for Pianoteq etc will probably work out better than the F140 which did not play nicely with VSTs in my experience.

I will be sure to update the thread when I get the VPC1.


Oh - and I really, REALLY like the action on the K300 - it is a wonderful instrument and I'm sure I will miss it. But hey - a few years down the road when the house is paid off I will hopefully be in a position to purchase a nice acoustic.

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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
... I do like to tinker with stuff so I look forward to many a good hour spent auditioning various speakers etc.


Well, in that case …. the VPC1 is perfect for you.

You will be kept busy swapping out speakers, headphones, audio interfaces, software generators, etc ….

And …. don't forget the litany of software parameters and velocity curves you can tinker with in an effort to get a "better" sound.

Enjoy




This is not true. Personally, power on my mac mini which takes about 10 seconds with the SSD drives. Run the Pianoteq program which remembers the previous settings and just put my headphones on. It's as simple as pie. I've owned my VPC-1 over 1 week and has around 20 hours of hard practice on it already. It's been a godsend when I don't have access to my acoustic grand. I've tried some of the most difficult piano repertoire out there and the piano is not a limiting factor. (only my continuing developing technique smile ). I will find time to make a video one of these days and let you judge if the VPC1 can't hold muster.

It's a very good action and absolutely can fill in for an acoustic grand when you don't have access to one or for silent practice. I don't see it throwing off my technique to any serious degree but there will always be a short period of adjustment when going back and forth between the two. All that talk about the too heavy an action is bull crap. It may be relatively heavier than another slab with a grand feel action but that does not make it unplayable or in any way inferior to any other action. In fact it may actually be closer to the action of a real acoustic the way it is weighted. You must and will adapt to any action whether it be light or heavier.

This is the first digital piano/controller that I've owned in over 25 years that I find acceptable as an acoustic stand-in. The pedals are fine too as well, though the only downside is the base seems to move out place from time to time. Need to double tape it down methinks. That said, I still believe if you want to learn the piano well you eventually have to play on an acoustic to get a good feel for the piano overall.

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Also unlike most I don't play around with piano sounds and waste valuable practice time. If you are serious about learning the piano stop playing with VSTS, knobs, controllers, buttons and other such nonsense. Choose one good piano sound and practice slowly and deliberately for a couple hours a day. This is one of the reasons why the VPC1 is such a nice instrument, there's very little to distract you so long as you stay away from the computer monitor which I have to since my mac mini is hooked up to my 55 inch flatscreen about 5 feet away smile

EDIT: also try to stay away from the addicting power of pianoworld to take away valuable practice time as well. I should know.

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Re: Couldn’t decide on a DP so I ordered a VPC1 :) [Re: Morten Olsson] #2843840
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The Mac driving this will not be within my field of view when playing - so the actual playing should be quite relaxed and free of distractions.
The many hours I’m sure I’ll spend experimenting with speakers and such won’t mean less practice and playing - more likely they will just be less time spent sleeping or reading.
Can’t wait to try different speaker and VST combinations. Putting together the small but quite decent Hifi system that will be the initial setup has been lots of fun and has had the added bonus of me getting a nice system for listening to music.
So far it’s all good smile

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I agree with Morten, tinkering does not fall into the practice window.
Since I am only able to practice for roughly half an hour before pain sets in, I have to make the most out of that time.

To be fair though: I don't think there is much need to tinker anyway. In both Garritan and Pianoteq I use the presets as given, I only added a samplicity reverb impulse file to the "Steinway D intimate" preset. Garritan runs at the default. No speaker tinkering at all because I use headphones 99.9% of the time unless I want to torture a few guests.


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Originally Posted by Granyala
Since I am only able to practice for roughly half an hour before pain sets in, I have to make the most out of that time.

Off-topic, but have you considered trying out a change in piano technique? There are a number of methods for addressing pain specific to piano playing, including this one.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Off-topic, but have you considered trying out a change in piano technique? There are a number of methods for addressing pain specific to piano playing, including this one.

Yep, staying relaxed is paramount and I have to be vigilant not to tense up, esp when being confronted with unfamiliar material (sometimes I even forget regular breath when I am problem solving). It definitely helps.

Teacher keeps an eye on it and says posture is fine so far.
I think it is the combined workload of a job at the computer, flute playing, piano and a lot of free time at the computer that brings the body to it's limits.


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Originally Posted by Granyala
Since I am only able to practice for roughly half an hour before pain sets in, I have to make the most out of that time.

Unless you are having similar pain from other daily activities or life in general, this is a technique problem at the piano.

You don't need to relax at the piano. You need to remove all tension, to fix bench position, to fix posture, and to correct body mechanics. Never, ever play with any pain.

Small technique errors get quickly ingrained and take a very long time to undo. This is debilitating from a physical and from a musical perspective. Get this fixed ASAP.

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Trying out various speakers has turned into a very enjoyable activity smile
The ones in the photo are Dali Ikon 2 and Dali Concept 6. I prefer the Ikon 2 so far - they’re quite clear, tight and airy. Think I’ll try some smaller more directional / near fields next.

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Not surprising that the Ikon 2 sound better, given that they are more expensive that the big ones. Expensive standmounts will pretty much always outperform cheaper floorstanders.

That doesn't look much like a VPC1 though. shocked


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