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Differences between Ritmuller models GP212R1 and GH212R #2841511 04/22/19 05:40 PM
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Hello everyone,

I've been looking for a new piano and during my research I've found out that Ritmuller currently sells different models for the "same" piano. For example, the 212 cm grand piano which is sold on the North American market is the model "GH212R", while the same size piano which is sold by the licensed dealer here in Brazil is the "GP212R1" model.

The question is, are they really the same piano? Are both made of the same components and have the same Lothar Thomma designed scale?

Could anyone help me with reliable information regarding these conflicting informations?

Thanks in advance for any help or insight on this matter!

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Re: Differences between Ritmuller models GP212R1 and GH212R [Re: leonardovcr] #2841667 04/23/19 10:51 AM
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I believe that the GP models pre-date Lothar Thomma's involvement with Ritmuller. There is a significant difference in quality between pre-Thomma and post-Thomma designs.


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Re: Differences between Ritmuller models GP212R1 and GH212R [Re: leonardovcr] #2841694 04/23/19 12:41 PM
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While I do not have specific knowledge of the difference between those models, it is more likely that the GP212R1 is a less expensive version of the GH212 than an entirely different scale. Some makers, including Pearl River do make concurrent sizes of different scales, but for manufacturing simplicity, especially of larger models that are made in smaller quantities, they tend to combine major processes of manufacturing that utilize the same scale - rim, plate casting, keyboard, etc.

If you are not able to get an answer from the dealer or Brazilian distributor, then photo comparisons of a known Thomma GH212R vs GP212R1 (specifically strings & plate) will tell you if it is the Thomma scale or not. As far as the other manufacturing differences (components, finish, prep) you would be more reliant on the manufacturer or distributor to parse out the differences.


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Re: Differences between Ritmuller models GP212R1 and GH212R [Re: leonardovcr] #2841878 04/24/19 07:03 AM
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Leonardo,

Two years ago I was in the same spot you now find yourself at! I even went to F. Dobbert showroom in S. Paulo, for I was curious about the quality of Ritmuller model GP 170 (not the 212, but it is the same reasoning), just because of some fine Youtube videos of model GH170.

After some research, I found out that model GP170 is really different from Thoma's model, both in quality of materials and in scale design, strings, etc. In short, in sound quality. Apparently, Brazilian market does not stand another competitor for some Japanese brands, as it would be the case for a fine Ritmuller model, as GH212 (and 170) is. So, they provide a cheaper model to compete with Indonesian pianos of those brands.

Have you considered buying an used high quality grand? After one year and a half and almost giving up my quest, I was fortunate enough to find a 35 years old Sauter V 182 (the pre "Delta" model) in a pristine condition (virtually never played) for a true bargain. Just don't throw yourself to the first shining "piano shaped object". Take your time and keep searching. Good luck!

My 2 cents only...


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Re: Differences between Ritmuller models GP212R1 and GH212R [Re: leonardovcr] #2843726 04/30/19 09:19 AM
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Thank you everyone for your opinion! Looks like I'm better off looking for another model of piano.


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