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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2841445 04/22/19 02:50 PM
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Did someone notice the change to red velvet on the Novus in Bonners newest video (comparing the NV10 to N1X): When I tried out the Novus one year ago it was grey. Do they ship now with red?

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I just noticed and compared to online videos. This is the only one I could spot with red felt. Incidentally, I much prefer this color.

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I just looked at that video and the felt is, indeed, red. The replacement I received last Thursday is brand new from Kawai’s US Distribution center. It has black felt. Maybe Europe gets red, and US/CA get black?



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Maybe it's just like the clear acrylic front beams that some dealers get, just a touch of flair for the showroom. Or...

Kawai's GL and GX acoustics have black felt too... Perhaps Kawai is making a change for 2019?

BTW, for you N1X folks, this is part of the reason it's going to be hard to catch the NV10 thread. You guys just don't have enough drama and speculation going on with your pianos wink


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
BTW, for you N1X folks, this is part of the reason it's going to be hard to catch the NV10 thread. You guys just don't have enough drama and speculation going on with your pianos wink

It seems like there is hardly anything to speculate on. Like almost only, "when is the N2X coming out?" Unlike an NV20, there doesn't even seem to be the need to wonder if there will be an N2X! smile


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Yeah, when was the last time anyone posted *anything* about the felt strip on an AvantGrand? wink

I think I had a post early on in the monster NV10 thread about it soon after I got mine!


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Maybe the N2X will come next year. Good for me. When I was considering the N2, people told me to wait, the N2X is coming. Well, it hasn't, so I'm glad I didn't wait smile


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
N1X is now €7499, down from €7899 at Thomann. D*mn!

Another observation- after your amazing list of issues with NU1X, I hardly noticed any complaints or observations from you at all about the N1X. Is it just perfect for you or did you just get exhausted with the evaluation of the NU1X that you had no energy left to beat on your N1X and find all the issue? wink <--- tongue in cheek!


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N1X is now €7499, down from €7899 at Thomann. D*mn!

Another observation- after your amazing list of issues with NU1X, I hardly noticed any complaints or observations from you at all about the N1X. Is it just perfect for you or did you just get exhausted with the evaluation of the NU1X that you had no energy left to beat on your N1X and find all the issue? wink <--- tongue in cheek!


Maybe he is just playing now =:-O

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
N1X is now €7499, down from €7899 at Thomann. D*mn!

Another observation- after your amazing list of issues with NU1X, I hardly noticed any complaints or observations from you at all about the N1X. Is it just perfect for you or did you just get exhausted with the evaluation of the NU1X that you had no energy left to beat on your N1X and find all the issue? wink <--- tongue in cheek!


Maybe he is just playing now =:-O

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Ha, you guessed it, I was just playing! smile It’s usually my playing time, between 12AM and 2AM, wife and daughter sleeping and me having two hours alone at night smile But I was lazy today and played only 20 minutes. Feel guilty now frown

Let me think of some complaints. The sustain pedal is a bit more noisy than what I would have liked, especially on pedal up. It’s a purely mechanical noise which is somehow related to the rubber bushing that creates the grand piano resistance emulation.

Very nit picky: trills in the middle of the keyboard with the binaural patch are somehow rough. Still don’t know what exactly is off but I guess it sounds a bit like lacking enough reverberation. Maybe it’s related to note off tails. It’s very very subtle though.

Even more nit picky and I guess not a defect but rather an effect that’s also there on grand pianos. Due to the counterweights (?) and or probably heavier bass keys, it seems bass keys require more force to produce ppp compared to the middle or high ranges. It’s actually something that I got used too and comes very useful since it allows me to better control quiet dynamics in the bass which is usually the purpose of counterweights. But it came as something I had to adapt to.

Really can’t think of anything else smile

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Now that I suspected the key off release as the reason for trill sounding a bit abrupt, I remembered something I read in the Garritan CFX manual and I found it:

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Example: You're recording a very fast, very dense passage in your project, so in order to get a very short staccato sound from the piano, you turn the Room/Release Decay knob and the Release Crossfade knob down until you get the definition from each individual note that you need.


I think that’s what happens with the CFX binaural, it’s a bit more staccato-ish with trills. It’s sad there’s no release decay and cross fade settings in the menu. But I’m wondering if that’s how a new grand piano will sound too. If the dampers are still new they will be able to dampen the sound quicker than when they wear off. I also remembered the “soft release” button in Nord pianos:
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A Soft Release-mode adds a slightly longer release, more suitable for legato playing, emulating a looser damper tension in an acoustic or an electro mechanical instrument.

So, as I said, maybe the N1X acts like a new grand with tight dampers. On the other hand I haven’t noticed that through speakers but there’s the actual reverberation of our living room that would mask it so I can’t be sure.


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The tech isn't able to come out for two weeks but he had me take some pictures and look more closely for damage. I did and now I'm convinced the problem is not the fallboard, it's the somehow the left cheek has popped out about 1/4 inch or so. I took some pictures, can you see enough in them to tell me if I'm crazy or not? It certainly would explain why the fallboard won't seat any more, it can't reach the left bracket because it's moved over. I've looked the fallboard up and down and it seems totally fine, and both hinges seem aligned correctly. The left top picture the right top is the most obvious to me. You can see wood and pins and stuff that you can't see on the right, the gap is much smaller. Similarly on the bottom, but less obvious visible stuff, the gap looks much bigger on the left than right.

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Originally Posted by Chrispy
The tech isn't able to come out for two weeks but he had me take some pictures and look more closely for damage. I did and now I'm convinced the problem is not the fallboard, it's the somehow the left cheek has popped out about 1/4 inch or so. I took some pictures, can you see enough in them to tell me if I'm crazy or not? It certainly would explain why the fallboard won't seat any more, it can't reach the left bracket because it's moved over. I've looked the fallboard up and down and it seems totally fine, and both hinges seem aligned correctly. The left top picture the right top is the most obvious to me. You can see wood and pins and stuff that you can't see on the right, the gap is much smaller. Similarly on the bottom, but less obvious visible stuff, the gap looks much bigger on the left than right.

Here's the gallery where you can see the imaged rotated, sorry they aren't here in the post
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It does look like an alignment issue from your photos. I will be interested in what your tech says about this.

BTW, were you the one that said your N1X is a dust magnet? I see that from these photos, and especially the last one! I wonder if these surfaces are carrying an electrostatic charge because there was not enough anti-static additives in the plastic during manufacturing. I'm also wondering if an anti-static spray would help.


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Originally Posted by Chrispy
I took some pictures, can you see enough in them to tell me if I'm crazy or not?


I'm not home right now otherwise I'd check mine. I'll be home tomorrow and will compare it with yours.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop


BTW, were you the one that said your N1X is a dust magnet? I see that from these photos, and especially the last one! I wonder if these surfaces are carrying an electrostatic charge because there was not enough anti-static additives in the plastic during manufacturing. I'm also wondering if an anti-static spray would help.


Mine collects dust like crazy. I have to dust it two to three times a day. It's a phenomenon.

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If you've every owned a black car or taken direct flash photos of one wink it's probably not some kind of electrostatic charge, this just looks like gloss black effect. You see dust way more easily.

Chrispy, hope you get it resolved without any issue. Despite what some here may profess, these are complex, heavy machines and some fraction are likely to suffer from manufacturing/shipping issues, even Yamaha wink The mark of a good maker is in many ways how they will deal with such issues when they arise.


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If you've every owned a black car or taken direct flash photos of one, I think the effect would be clear wink It's probably not some kind of electrostatic charge, this just looks like "gloss black" effect. You see dust way more easily on this type of surface, especially with direct flash illumination.

Chrispy, hope you get it resolved without any issue. Despite what some here may profess, these are complex, heavy machines and some fraction are likely to suffer from manufacturing/shipping issues, even Yamaha wink The mark of a good maker is in many ways how they will deal with such issues when they arise.


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Was the piano assembled on-site or at the dealer's? Will you accept a repair on this? Why wait 2 weeks for an uncertain resolution -- save time and just ask to start the exchange process now.

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It was assembled on site fresh out of boxes. I’ll don’t suspect the tech will be able to repair and yes I’d rather have a replacement. I’ll see what he says tomorrow after seeing the pictures and likely call the store.


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FYI the threshold for exchanging should be low. I had my old CA98 exchanged due to some surface scratches that were not otherwise visible in normal use... your issue is much more significant. Good luck!

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