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Needing Appraisal Assistance #2840461 04/18/19 03:24 PM
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Hi all,

I'm new to forum but have played piano all my life. I recenly sold my electronic keyboard am researching upright pianos. Unfortunately I am a novice when determining their value. Can someone help me with principle questions to ask or perhaps a resource that can help with an appraisal?

Using the Nextdoor app, I found a Weber Console, which is being sold by the owner for $1,500 or the best offer received. According to the seller's post, it originally sold for $14,000 in the late 90s. I have no reason to disbelieve the stated value, but it would help to know if this is reasonably accurate and if the asking price is in range given that it's in excellent condition with only a couple minor scuffs.

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I would not recommend buying it for that price. While it is better than a spinet, it is not that much better. I would think $400-800 would be more what the market would bear, if it is what the seller claims.

It actually looks like a Weber from the Aeolian days, which would be before 1983 or so. You should get the serial number, so we can check it.


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Thank you. I've reached out for the serial number.

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Originally Posted by MattWH[...
I found a Weber Console, which is being sold by the owner for $1,500 or the best offer received. According to the seller's post, it originally sold for $14,000 in the late 90s.[...]


I would not be surprised to learn that the figure of $14,000.00, new, in the late 90's is an exaggerated figure. If the piano had that value then, why is the owner demanding only $1,500.00 or best offer at present? Of course Weber pianos, now made by Young Chang, have no relationship to those manufactured by the Weber Piano Company which ceased production in the 1990's. Therefore extrapolating 1990's prices based on the prices of Webers today may be less that relevant.

Most modern consoles (42" and 43") - the comparatively few that are manufactured - even with labels from Essex, Yamaha and Kawai, run in the $5,000.00 to $6,000.00 range. Of course I may well be wrong, but I find it hard to imagine the new price quoted by the owner as being credible.

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According to Pierce, the Aeolian Webers were discontinued in 1979. The last serial number was just over 100,000. The Young Chang Webers started in 1988 with serial numbers over 1,300,000.


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Originally Posted by BruceD
I would not be surprised to learn that the figure of $14,000.00, new, in the late 90's is an exaggerated figure.

+1...

I doubt very seriously that piano cost anywhere near $14,000 new. That's more than an exaggeration, in my view.

Of course, I could be wrong. I have been before, a time or two... ( wink smile )

I agree with BDB that $400 or $500 tops would be a fair price for that console piano, if it is in very good condition.

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For heaven's sake, even if you like this piano, there is no need to pay even $1000 for it (I assume we are talking either US$ or CDN$ here.) A fair offer might be in the high three figures. But if you are dealing with an owner who somehow thinks his piano was originally worth $14,000, I wouldn't get involved. He or she is either clueless about pianos or has trouble with decimal points.

P.S. Regardless of the mythical absurd $14,000 figure, the present owner clearly thinks it is worth less than $1500. We all agree with him or her about this. :-)

If you're in love, hire a piano tech for $100 to $200 to give you an expert opinion, and then listen to the advice you paid for. But my free advice is to keep looking elsewhere, since you won't enjoy playing this piano, and it is bound to have issues.


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Matt, roughly what is your budget for an upright piano? That would help us know where you are coming from.

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When that piano was new it sold closer to $1400 than $14,000. I would guess it was around $1995.

Today I see them on craigslist for $500 - $600 and they sit on the list for weeks.


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$14k is either a blatant lie, a misprint, or an extremely mis-informed person. If it's a lie, answers to probing questions will not be forthcoming. You know what you should do now.

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What kind of new pianos were priced at $14k in the late 90s?

I think 10 years ago a new 7'2 Hailun 218 could be had at around $15k?

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I was able to swing by and see it in person this morning and the owner said it was from the early 90s this time. I get the sense the price was just a guess on their part and they just want someone to take it off their hands before they move. Unfortunately, there is a smoker in the home and that's pretty much a deal breaker. I'm going to assume there is a smell baked into it considering the length of time it's been around.

The two numbers I found on the back:

Impressed in the wood is 0274544 (is this the serial number?)

And two red stickers that reads
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Peter, my budget is about $500 for an upright.

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Matt, my strong advice to you is to reconsider the purchase of any upright piano for $500. At $500 you are usually purchasing a lousy upright that will end up costing you more than $500 additional in repairs, and you'll still never be satisfied with it. You should expand your used-acoustic budget by a factor of four or five, at a minimum.

And preferably buy either from a dealer or from a piano technician. Someone who hopefully will stand behind the purchase.

Or I could put it differently: if you have only $500 to spend, try to source a used digital piano that is better than the one you sold.

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Or for $500, you could probably find a free piano that is worth putting $500 worth of work into. Old consoles like the Weber show up all the time for free.


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Originally Posted by MattWH
... Unfortunately, there is a smoker in the home ...

Yes, understood. I had a friend who bought one from a smoking family and the smell was obvious many months later - I lost touch with them after that, but not sure. I bought a car which had been owned by a smoker too - and, in hot weather, no matter how I scrubbed it it still stunk when locked in the sun.

As mentioned above, the $500 is probably going to get you something which could be more trouble than a help. I'm wondering if you might be better to save a little longer and buy something a bit better then?


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Doesn’t what you can buy at a given price depend on where you live combined with your luck/patience?? I live in an area which is heavily weighted on the upper end of the age range, therefore with a little patience, there are great deals to be found as owners downsize from their current homes and need to sell their pianos.

I have bought three acoustic pianos here: two uprights and one grand. All three were well under standard ‘market value’ ’ And did not need expensive work. There is not one global price for any particular piano. My advice: is to use a private tech; even let him/her know you are looking, and the price you can afford. Be patient as the less you are able/willing to pay requires more patience and time but it can be done.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
use a private tech; even let him/her know you are looking, and the price you can afford. Be patient as the less you are able/willing to pay requires more patience and time but it can be done.


Great advice, dogperson. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by BDB
Or for $500, you could probably find a free piano that is worth putting $500 worth of work into. Old consoles like the Weber show up all the time for free.


The thrifty/cheap side of me absolutely loves this idea.

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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
Matt, my strong advice to you is to reconsider the purchase of any upright piano for $500. At $500 you are usually purchasing a lousy upright that will end up costing you more than $500 additional in repairs, and you'll still never be satisfied with it. You should expand your used-acoustic budget by a factor of four or five, at a minimum.

And preferably buy either from a dealer or from a piano technician. Someone who hopefully will stand behind the purchase.

Or I could put it differently: if you have only $500 to spend, try to source a used digital piano that is better than the one you sold.



Peter, I see what you mean. An online scan of a local dealer here has most of their uprights between 2000-3000 US. I suppose I'll need to weight the short term vs long term benefits considering I tend to hold on to purchases for a long time. Many thanks for the advice.

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Originally Posted by MattWH
I was able to swing by and see it in person this morning and the owner said it was from the early 90s this time. I get the sense the price was just a guess on their part and they just want someone to take it off their hands before they move. Unfortunately, there is a smoker in the home and that's pretty much a deal breaker. I'm going to assume there is a smell baked into it considering the length of time it's been around.

The two numbers I found on the back:

Impressed in the wood is 0274544 (is this the serial number?)

And two red stickers that reads
098051
172
piece no.
united van lines

Peter, my budget is about $500 for an upright.



They sure were taking a wild guess. If you split down the middle and take 1995 as its date of original purchase, $14k translates to more than $23k in today's dollars. Good luck with your search.


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