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Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] #2839709
04/15/19 10:35 PM
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Feedback is welcome.


Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Melchiorblade7] #2839816
04/16/19 09:58 AM
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Hi, Mb7! Well, that is one butt-ugly Prelude, isn't it? I fully agree with how you make this piece "move"; in particular, I very much like your emphasis upon the stark dissonances in the bass line - that's what makes this piece so poetically satisfying. And in a more general sense, I believe that Chopin was more fully exploring new poetic possibilities in his compositions by this time; i.e., explorations of the strange and disquieting. My only suggestions (and this is strictly a matter of taste) are to take a slightly slower tempo and use slightly less damper pedal, both again to emphasize the grinding dissonances against the dark melodic line.

Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Melchiorblade7] #2839881
04/16/19 01:06 PM
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I agree with Tim that this could (should?) be played slower and perhaps with a little less pedal. I think those ideas and keeping a more subtle dynamic palette would help emphasize the starkness of this Prelude.

One timing comment: You did not observe the two-beat rest on beats three and four in measure 19.

There are also occasional issues with balance;
- there is some exaggerated dynamics in measures 10 and 11; your volume increases markedly and I don't quite understand why. In the Henle Urtext, there is a hairpin over the right hand in measure 11, but I think you exaggerate it. (Question of opinion, of course.)
- In measure 5 the grace note on the second half of beat 2 is too loud, in my opinion; it shouldn't stick out the way it does.

Generally, I think the dynamic should be kept quite consistently subdued throughout this Prelude. In the Urtext, there is only the one indication of p at the beginning and only two (small) crescendo hairpins: one in measure 11 over the right hand and the other in measure 16 over the left hand. In my opinion, these shouldn't be exaggerated; keep them subtle.

At times, you have a strange way of arching and raising your right wrist so that your hand is virtually "standing" upright on the fingertip of the melody note. I don't see any reason for this and it is distracting to watch: the D in measure 4; the B in measure 6; the B in measure 8, etc., etc.Try to keep the wrist and hand calm.

Most of this is personal opinion which you can take or leave at your discretion.

I think you certainly have a good overall sense of this Prelude; I would like to hear it again at a more appropriate tempo.

Thank you for sharing.

Regards,


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Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Tim Adrianson] #2839955
04/16/19 04:46 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, Tim. I agree with your overall comments. Managing the damper pedal was definitely the most difficult aspect of this piece for me. I got it so it wouldn't blur the harmonies, but still need to draw out distinction more as you said.

Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: BruceD] #2839958
04/16/19 05:04 PM
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BruceD, such a great fountain of feedback from you. Thank you. I will take your considerations to mind as I find new ways to perform this piece in the future. I agree with your assessment of the balance of the prelude, that It should certainly be consistently subdued throughout. I tried performing it this way and certainly had that in mind when recording, but I suppose I did emphasize certain sections like measures 10 and 11 more than I should have. I guess I saw the hairpin and took it further than I should have. Listening to my playing again, measure 10 and 11 don't strike me as too loud or stark to 'ruin' the piece, but it would be good to dial it back a bit.

As to the tempo, I experimented with slower tempos and found I was sounding far too similar to other interpretations of the piece. I just couldn't find my own voice playing at the intended tempo. I don't mind sounding the same as others as long as it's true to both the composer's intent and my own sensibilities as an artist, but I never felt comfortable playing it slower. I don't really enjoy playing it slower, and find that I like the almost dance-like qualities of the pulse at a faster tempo. Shrug. I guess I just prefer it at the tempo I chose, but I totally understand why this piece is intended to be played slower (to draw out the harmonies, more accurately use economic pedal usage, atmospheric set-in, etc.)

Again, this is wonderful feedback, and I will certainly take it to heart. Thank you

Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Melchiorblade7] #2840465
04/18/19 04:30 PM
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Thank you for sharing. I don’t really like Chopin much but I’m discovering I appear to like stranger works. Perhaps it’s beca I strange ! It was like a spooky creepy ghost train 👻 ride in the base.

Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Melchiorblade7] #2840466
04/18/19 04:31 PM
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Yes I remembered. Bass, not base, my bad.

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Re: Chopin Prelude No. 2 [video] [Re: Moo :)] #2840592
04/19/19 07:57 AM
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Thanks for the comment, Moo! I find his more esoteric works fascinating as well. I like the repertoire on your youtube channel. I'm happy to subscribe to you

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