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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
MacMacMac #2840042 04/17/19 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
What exposure do you need to protect against?

Dust and cat hair. And then more cat hair. And the cats themselves.

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N1X is a dust magnet frown I thought my apartment was dust free compared to the previous ones, since we live on a high floor, far from busy roads and indeed there’s much less visible dust on the furniture than before, it’s much cleaner than what I’m used to. Well, I realized I was wrong after I got the N1X laugh It seems to collect and somehow suck all the dust in the universe...


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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I meant to pose my question to pianokat123.
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What exposure do you need to protect against?
Dust and cat hair. And then more cat hair. And the cats themselves.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I meant to pose my question to pianokat123.
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What exposure do you need to protect against?
Dust and cat hair. And then more cat hair. And the cats themselves.

Maybe piano_kat_123 has no cats ;-)

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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She (?) is a dog person. wink


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Originally Posted by pianokat123
Hi all. I'm still awaiting my N1X - Yamaha just advised my dealer it will now be a few weeks later than expected so looking at mid May I believe. Can I ask, and sorry if it's been asked before, has anyone found a decent cover for the N1X? Or anyone that would make one to size online? Nothing too old fashioned or frilly preferably! laugh


My dealer is advising mid-late June delivery despite we are on the same island. Guess this is also why our price are heavily discounted. wink


I am going to stitch a few towels together to make the piano cover. laugh

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David B #2840084 04/17/19 07:39 AM
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I have "not" watched this video yet... I guess this will be an interesting comparison to watch. Thanks, Bonners!:



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I watched the video and both the piano's sound great! I am assuming they are direct in recorded.

I "think" I preferred the N1X for my style of play or my hearing. The N1X seems to have a little bit more "bite" to the samples and the NV10 is slightly more mellow in tone. This makes sense since the real AP's sound that way in real life.

Now, it is just your own personal flavor of sound that you prefer. I am so happy that the hybrids have come out now and these days of playing DP's and their inferior sound are going away.


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Now, it is just your own personal flavor of sound that you prefer. I am so happy that the hybrids have come out now and these days of playing DP's and their inferior sound are going away.


Since I live just down the road from Bonners Showroom in Reigate and I went and played on the two hybrids and a Fuerich. My report on that visit is here
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ha-n1x-released-at-namm.html#Post2823274

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Originally Posted by HwyStar
I watched the video and both the piano's sound great! I am assuming they are direct in recorded.

I "think" I preferred the N1X for my style of play or my hearing. The N1X seems to have a little bit more "bite" to the samples and the NV10 is slightly more mellow in tone. This makes sense since the real AP's sound that way in real life.

Now, it is just your own personal flavor of sound that you prefer. I am so happy that the hybrids have come out now and these days of playing DP's and their inferior sound are going away.

One of the benefits of the N1X is that it comes with 2 distinct samples - the Yamaha CFX that is indeed "bright" and the Bosendorfer that is a lot more mellow. The NV10 has just one sound, but provides a number of different filters to make it brighter

I haven't been able to watch the video above - it is comparing NV10 with N1X or the N1?

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Originally Posted by percy64
I haven't been able to watch the video above - it is comparing NV10 with N1X or the N1?

N1X. It is only the second N1X video on Youtube since NAMM (after Chrispy's!)


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Originally Posted by percy64

One of the benefits of the N1X is that it comes with 2 distinct samples - the Yamaha CFX that is indeed "bright" and the Bosendorfer that is a lot more mellow. The NV10 has just one sound, but provides a number of different filters to make it brighter


While true for the SK-EX rendering engine, the NV10 comes with ~17 different pianos (probably 5-7 samples distinct samples) including EX Grand, SK-5, and upright pianos. You'd be forgoing the advanced rendering engine, but IIRC the N1X reserves some of its features for its flagship CFX sample only, too.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by percy64

One of the benefits of the N1X is that it comes with 2 distinct samples - the Yamaha CFX that is indeed "bright" and the Bosendorfer that is a lot more mellow. The NV10 has just one sound, but provides a number of different filters to make it brighter


While true for the SK-EX rendering engine, the NV10 comes with ~17 different pianos (probably 5-7 samples distinct samples) including EX Grand, SK-5, and upright pianos. You'd be forgoing the advanced rendering engine, but IIRC the N1X reserves some of its features for its flagship CFX sample only, too.

Well, yes and no. On the N1X both the CFX and the Bosendorfer use 4-channel sampling. I would assume they are equally premium and make use of all the possible engine effect like resonances, smooth release, etc. It was on Clavinova pianos that the Bosendorfer lacked some features. On the NV10 you have only one rendering piano, the SK-EX, whereas the others are stereo samples with the older engine.

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Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I meant to pose my question to pianokat123.
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What exposure do you need to protect against?
Dust and cat hair. And then more cat hair. And the cats themselves.

Maybe piano_kat_123 has no cats ;-)


Haha! No cats, but a dog, and two small children... often (always?) with sticky hands. Any extra form of protection can only help! Whilst they're young anyway, I totally agree it's a shame to cover it as it's a beautiful instrument.

Sigh, just need to be patient now. Arghhh!

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Originally Posted by HwyStar

N1X. It is only the second N1X video on Youtube since NAMM (after Chrispy's!)

Ah - I see a brand new video - I will look forwards to watching it later - but I am pretty sure Bonners have already put out an N1X video (and of course an NV10 one).

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YMMV, In my opinion the “older” samples of the SKEX, EX, and especially the SK5, are still very good. Playing SK5 on speakers in a room just sounds so realistic to me. cool



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Originally Posted by HwyStar
I watched the video and both the piano's sound great! I am assuming they are direct in recorded.

I "think" I preferred the N1X for my style of play or my hearing. The N1X seems to have a little bit more "bite" to the samples and the NV10 is slightly more mellow in tone. This makes sense since the real AP's sound that way in real life.

Now, it is just your own personal flavor of sound that you prefer. I am so happy that the hybrids have come out now and these days of playing DP's and their inferior sound are going away.

In the NV10 you have several settings to configure the sound output. Since this is a sample-based instrument there are obvious limits, but, nevertheless, you have some room for adjustments. And then you have the "characters" in pianist mode that work as kind of presets using different "microphone" position and mix settings. These also significantly change the sound profile. The N1X seems to be more limited in this regard (unless the external app unlocks additional settings).

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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Well, yes and no. On the N1X both the CFX and the Bosendorfer use 4-channel sampling. I would assume they are equally premium and make use of all the possible engine effect like resonances, smooth release, etc.


Is it confirmed that the Bosendorfer is also multi-sampled?

What about binaural audio?


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Originally Posted by Gombessa

Is it confirmed that the Bosendorfer is also multi-sampled?

Yes according to the specs: "Features 4-point spatial acoustic samples of two world class concert pianos: the Yamaha CFX and the Bosendorfer Imperial" (https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/avantgrand/n1x/index.html)

Originally Posted by Gombessa
What about binaural audio?

Binaural audio only applies to the CFX.

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Originally Posted by percy64
Originally Posted by HwyStar

N1X. It is only the second N1X video on Youtube since NAMM (after Chrispy's!)

Ah - I see a brand new video - I will look forwards to watching it later - but I am pretty sure Bonners have already put out an N1X video (and of course an NV10 one).

They have, of course, put out videos on both. This new one is a head-to-head comparison of the N1X and NV10, though.


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