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Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Lady Bird #2839741 04/16/19 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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I hope you find your piano, I truly do! I just have never experienced what you have.You seem to be unusually sensitive regarding upright
pianos.There must be an answer to your situation whether through
model,brand ,voicing the piano or changing what is in the room.
I wish you well.

Yes, ther are solutions: room conditioning is needed beyond 'decorative' limits, plus some pieces of thick foam between the back posts, plus another piece of acoustic foam right in front of my face, or blankets, plus a very delicate touch...
A more expensive piano with better soft dynamics would be great, too, but out of budget.
A new house...

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Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2839783 04/16/19 08:00 AM
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Lady Bird- On this thread and an earlier one you claimed that the warranty on your Sauter would be void if you did not have the piano voiced and regulated. I found this very strange and hard to believe since I have not heard of that kind of warranty requirement for any other piano. Upon further questioning in both those threads, you said that the brochure only recommended voicing and regulation and that there was nothing in the warranty that said it would be voided if voicing and regulation were not done.

There is a huge difference between recommending something and saying that a warranty becomes void if that is not done. Most makers recommend tuning twice a year but no maker says the warranty is void if twice a year tuning is not done. Having taken back your claim of required voicing/regulation in the first thread you repeated the same claim in this thread.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Lady Bird- On this thread and an earlier one you claimed that the warranty on your Sauter would be void if you did not have the piano voiced and regulated. I found this very strange and hard to believe since I have not heard of that kind of warranty requirement for any other piano. Upon further questioning in both those threads, you said that the brochure only recommended voicing and regulation and that there was nothing in the warranty that said it would be voided if voicing and regulation were not done.

There is a huge difference between recommending something and saying that a warranty becomes void if that is not done. Most makers recommend tuning twice a year but no maker says the warranty is void if twice a year tuning is not done. Having taken back your claim of required voicing/regulation in the first thread you repeated the same claim in this thread.


















The book says "I have to regulate,and voice the piano at the very least every 2 years" This information is close to the information
regarding details of the warranty.I have never bought a brand new piano in my entire life until very recently.
Having read on Piano World serious problems arising from even
new pianos. I am only trying to do the correct thing and yes I do
tend to worry about things too much.
But no,I have no motivation to spread any false claims and rumours
about Sauter Piano's warranty.It was not fair nor was it correct to
suggest otherwise.
That other thread would make interesting reading as it relates
closely to what happened here.To suggest Piano Buyer should
know the private details of another person's warranty was to
me bizarre! But that was not said by you.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Lady Bird #2839856 04/16/19 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
With some new pianos one is expected to have the instrument regulated and voiced every year or at least every 2 years as a requirement of the warranty.

This is in fact what I wrote.Everyone can then read how you
Pianoloverus accused me of spreading bogus rumours and saying
that my warranty would be voided when I never said that.
This is all nonsense and everyone is tired of it !!!
That was all that I wrote.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Lady Bird #2839869 04/16/19 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
With some new pianos one is expected to have the instrument regulated and voiced every year or at least every 2 years as a requirement of the warranty.

This is in fact what I wrote.Everyone can then read how you
Pianoloverus accused me of spreading bogus rumours and saying
that my warranty would be voided when I never said that.
This is all nonsense and everyone is tired of it !!!
That was all that I wrote.
Your post that you quoted clearly says that that some new pianos require voicing and regulation as a requirement of warranty. You were referring to your Sauter. If something is a requirement of warranty it means that the warranty is voided if that something is not done.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2839877 04/16/19 12:54 PM
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I told you that said that because material about care and warranty
were near each other.Who knows if you do not comply, like any warranty be it for a fridge or violin ,it could complicate how the
warranty process.
It has been said here that one may have to fight for ones
rights in the warranty.
So what if it's for Schimmel or Sauter thats not the issue.
So what was meant was possible complications.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2839891 04/16/19 01:31 PM
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I must clarify the PM I received from the unknown poster at
time I was involved in this "war in a tea cup" with Pianoloverus
and Sanfrancisco turned out to be an innocent person who
just wanted to know details about my piano.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Lady Bird #2839927 04/16/19 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
With some new pianos one is expected to have the instrument regulated and voiced every year or at least every 2 years as a requirement of the warranty.

This is in fact what I wrote.Everyone can then read how you
Pianoloverus accused me of spreading bogus rumours and saying
that my warranty would be voided when I never said that.
This is all nonsense and everyone is tired of it !!!
That was all that I wrote.


I understood your meaning and your concern about your warranty.



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Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2839957 04/16/19 04:58 PM
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Thank you NobleHouse I did not mean any harm to anyone.
I am sorry for my overreaction to Sanfrancisco.The mentioned
of the other thread just tipped me over the edge a bit.
But reading that other thread is truly strange.All this was
so unnecessary.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Sanfrancisco #2839969 04/16/19 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
I appreciate Frank's very quick handling of the posts that appeared in this thread in which I am falsely accused of making a threat to another member. It was alluded by this member that I possibly made this threat under the guise of a "strange" poster who sent her a private message. Finally I was to told to "stay away" from the member as if I was somehow going to physically track her down, follow through on the threat and hurt her.
This is a large step beyond "perhaps" just going "overboard". I regret that this has occurred on PW, a site and community I have enjoyed being in for the past 5 1/2 years. I take these written innuendos and accusations very seriously.

I find it best to use the ignore function with certain posters that seem to routinely come unhinged.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
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Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
jarobi #2839978 04/16/19 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jarobi
Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
I appreciate Frank's very quick handling of the posts that appeared in this thread in which I am falsely accused of making a threat to another member. It was alluded by this member that I possibly made this threat under the guise of a "strange" poster who sent her a private message. Finally I was to told to "stay away" from the member as if I was somehow going to physically track her down, follow through on the threat and hurt her.
This is a large step beyond "perhaps" just going "overboard". I regret that this has occurred on PW, a site and community I have enjoyed being in for the past 5 1/2 years. I take these written innuendos and accusations very seriously.

I find it best to use the ignore function with certain posters that seem to routinely come unhinged.

As for you.Do you enjoy this ! As if saying people are unhinged is going to bring peace? Shame on you !

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2839989 04/16/19 07:32 PM
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Today I went to a chlavichord recital...I think I want one, definitely not too loud!

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
Lady Bird #2839999 04/16/19 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by jarobi
Originally Posted by Sanfrancisco
I appreciate Frank's very quick handling of the posts that appeared in this thread in which I am falsely accused of making a threat to another member. It was alluded by this member that I possibly made this threat under the guise of a "strange" poster who sent her a private message. Finally I was to told to "stay away" from the member as if I was somehow going to physically track her down, follow through on the threat and hurt her.
This is a large step beyond "perhaps" just going "overboard". I regret that this has occurred on PW, a site and community I have enjoyed being in for the past 5 1/2 years. I take these written innuendos and accusations very seriously.

I find it best to use the ignore function with certain posters that seem to routinely come unhinged.

As for you.Do you enjoy this ! As if saying people are unhinged is going to bring peace? Shame on you !


Lady Bird, I think it is best to just ignore certain posters if they bug you. It can sometimes be difficult, but it will keep your blood pressure normal. grin



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Thanks NobleHouse I shall try my best.

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Mabraman
I hope you find your piano, I truly do! I just have never experienced what you have.You seem to be unusually sensitive regarding upright
pianos.There must be an answer to your situation whether through
model,brand ,voicing the piano or changing what is in the room.
I wish you well.

Yes, ther are solutions: room conditioning is needed beyond 'decorative' limits, plus some pieces of thick foam between the back posts, plus another piece of acoustic foam right in front of my face, or blankets, plus a very delicate touch...
A more expensive piano with better soft dynamics would be great, too, but out of budget.
A new house...

Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2840344 04/18/19 04:00 AM
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Thank you for killing this thread. Go kill another one.


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Re: Why there are so many loud uprights?
mabraman #2840350 04/18/19 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mabraman
Thank you for killing this thread. Go kill another one.

Hi - if you don't want to see someone's posts, click on their profile and hit the "Ignore" button on the right of their profile. Their posts show, but blank. cheers, Alan


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