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OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire #2839596 04/15/19 04:36 PM
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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839602 04/15/19 04:45 PM
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I've been watching for the last two hours with tears streaming down my face. I can't bare it. It's just so sad. It's even worse that this is Holy Week.

Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839603 04/15/19 04:47 PM
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My wife and I are so sad cry

We were just there this past summer and took photos of the interior.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839605 04/15/19 04:50 PM
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We were there last year.This is just so sad. I hope they are able to control the fire soon.

Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839609 04/15/19 04:58 PM
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Oh my. What a tragic loss.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839629 04/15/19 05:53 PM
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The Pipe Organ was my first thought.

Largest organ in France, from the 1700s, rebuilt and doubled in size by Cavaille-Coll in the 1800s - just had €2 million upgrade and rebuild.

No news on it's fate yet - but smoke and water could cause untold damage.


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To see this happen to one of the great cultural treasures of the world is heartbreaking. It's not just the French people who are mourning tonight. Great treasures such as Notre Dame are a testament to ingenuity, and elevate all of humanity. I have every faith in the French people, and am confident that she is in good hands.

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It is so sad. A tragic loss. Fortunately the fire fighters seem to have it under control as the authorities have said.

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A tragic loss for everyone!



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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We were just there this past summer and took photos of the interior.


That'll be an important part of the reconstruction. With all the high quality photos that exist of it, it should be possible to create an excellent detailed 3D digital model.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2839669 04/15/19 07:49 PM
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The French media is showing photos of the interior of the nave and the vault has not collapsed, apart from a hole in the place where the spire fell down. There is still hope in the midst of tragedy that the fire damage was limited to the wooden roof structure and to the spire (which was also made of wood).

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Very sad about this and thinking about France.

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In a Gothic building like this, loss of the roof structure is a lot more dangerous than in a modern building. The flying buttresses are there to put an inward force on the top of the walls, to counteract the outward force of the rafters. They'll need to get some temporary spreaders in there asap to restore the balance.


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When I worked in Switzerland, we could get to Paris pretty quickly on the TGV, so we went often. I've seen many cathedrals, but Notre Dame is one of my favorites.

Once, when the cathedral tour ended at Point-zéro out front in Place du Parvis, the docent leading us directed our attention back to the sculpture over the center door. She pointed out the depiction of the redeemed on the left, looking heavenward, and the damned on the right in chains. (Cathedral sculptures and other artworks usually depict Bible stories for the benefit of those who couldn't read.)

As she bid us farewell, she said that she hoped to meet us again one day in the line of people looking heavenward. She was so genuinely sincere that it really made an impression on me. Obviously, I've never forgotten it.



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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

In a Gothic building like this, loss of the roof structure is a lot more dangerous than in a modern building. The flying buttresses are there to put an inward force on the top of the walls, to counteract the outward force of the rafters. They'll need to get some temporary spreaders in there asap to restore the balance.


Yes! The stone is more than just a facade. Anyway, I hope that are able to save a significant portion of it all.



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I was just looking at some friends' posts in Facebook, and I realized I was last there as part of a choir tour in April of 1999. Hard to believe it's been 20 years...



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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: backto_study_piano] #2839685 04/15/19 08:32 PM
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That was one of my first reactions too. I am stunned. So much history lost.

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There has been little mention of the stained glass. I hope that they have managed to save it.

The spire dates from the 19th-century post-Revolution restoration by Viollet-le-Duc.

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President Macron has promised to rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral. Fortunately, it seems that the main structure of the cathedral has survived. I think that the heat, water, smoke and flames would have destroyed the stained glass windows. At least they can be remade and accurate reproductions can be created from the huge collection of photo documents of the windows. Some good news from this terrible event is that most of the treasured relics and art works have been saved. Vive la France!

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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
The Pipe Organ was my first thought.

Largest organ in France, from the 1700s, rebuilt and doubled in size by Cavaille-Coll in the 1800s - just had €2 million upgrade and rebuild.

No news on it's fate yet - but smoke and water could cause untold damage.
The fate of the magnificent Pipe Organ was my first thought as well. Heard an organ recital at Notre Dame in 2006. Deeply moving, and certainly one of the high points of my trip to Paris.


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