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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: BruceD] #2840233
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Originally Posted by BruceD
There is talk that non-flammable modern elements should be used in the reconstruction resulting in a changed appearance of the cathedral. This would have historical impact, but one that is not without precedent. When other significant, historical structures have been damaged, repair has often used techniques that were more modern than those used to construct the original.


Indeed. Gothic construction is inherently unsafe by today's standards. No way would anybody ever get a Building & Safety permit to do that again. These buildings are just stacks of carefully shaped stone. There's no mortar, no steel, I don't even know if they used keys the way the ancient Greeks and the Stonehenge folks did. Collapses during construction were a real problem, particularly when taking out the temporary wooden supports under the arches and buttresses. It's amazing that these houses of cards have lasted as long as they have.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: johnstaf] #2840243
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
According to one of the organists at Notre Dame, it hasn't been damaged by fire or water, but it is covered in soot, and needs to be dismantled and cleaned.

Great news indeed!

That organ is so powerful, I was shocked when I heard it. I hope to have this experience again some day.


Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2840295
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
That organ is so powerful, I was shocked when I heard it.

About removing the soot out of all the organ pipes, I would first try a few full 5-octave fermata cluster chords at maximum wind power with all the stops pulled. The organist of course would need to put on a mask first. grin

Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2840304
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I hope they hide a nice modern sprinkler system in the rebuild.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: Bosendorff] #2840317
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Originally Posted by Bosendorff
About removing the soot out of all the organ pipes, I would first try a few full 5-octave fermata cluster chords at maximum wind power with all the stops pulled. The organist of course would need to put on a mask first. grin

I was involved in arranging repairs after 2 fires in a school where I was Business Manager. There wasn't only dusty soot, but also a slimy, greasy smoky coating on every surface in the building. Difficult to remove - though the professionals had stuff which did.

I play a digital Allen in my own Church (also Pipe Organ in another Church 2 Sunday mornings a month). There is an old, very small, not very capable Pipe Organ there which isn't working any more due to water damage, hence the Allen. When I first got there on Sundays, I'd fire the Pipe Organ up and played with all stops (all 7!!) to settle the temperature. I was always sniffly after that, I reckon because of dust being blown out.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2840323
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Main thing is, don't employ anyone from Chesterfield to rebuild it.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2841199
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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: tend to rush] #2841222
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Originally Posted by tend to rush
NPR Update on the Organ
Good article - but somewhat misleading headline.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2841276
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I haven't heard about Vierne's console and how it fared during the fire (the great organist and composer suffered a stroke and died during a recital--the old console was replaced by modernizations, but kept for display).

St.-Sulpice, where the "other" (some say greater) organ in Paris is located, had a minor fire just recently--that organ is said to be OK.

Perilous time for pipe organs in Paris!


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2841281
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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2841801
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I have been asked, by PM, to explain my reference to Chesterfield.

Chesterfield is a small town in Derbyshire, England. It is famous for the spire on the church there:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/chesterfields-crooked-spire

Apparently some confusion has arisen as there is a "stencil" town called Chesterfield in one of our colonies. I was referring to the original, not the ersatz.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: PhilipInChina] #2841835
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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Chesterfield is a small town in Derbyshire, England. It is famous for the spire on the church there:

I bet 0.01% of Earth population know about the spire on the church there and the rest 99.99% know Chesterfield as a brand of cigarettes. smile

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I am in the 0.01% I am afraid.

Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev] #2842266
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Chesterfield is a small town in Derbyshire, England. It is famous for the spire on the church there:

I bet 0.01% of Earth population know about the spire on the church there and the rest 99.99% know Chesterfield as a brand of cigarettes. smile

For me Chesterfield is a type of couch...

Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: David-G] #2842275
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Phillippe Lefebvre said, "When you play this organ, the stones sing."

They will sing again! From the NY Times:
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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: ando] #2842467
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Originally Posted by ando
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Chesterfield is a small town in Derbyshire, England. It is famous for the spire on the church there:

I bet 0.01% of Earth population know about the spire on the church there and the rest 99.99% know Chesterfield as a brand of cigarettes. smile

For me Chesterfield is a type of couch...

thumb Yep - that was my only thought.


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Re: OT: Devastating News -- Notre Dame Fire [Re: JohnSprung] #2842603
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I'm surprised that Chesterfield isn't better known worldwide. It has a very British mix of old-fashioned charm and a touch of eccentricity. Well I suppose in this case it's more than a touch... smile

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