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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2836535
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My teacher has a Hamburg Steinway C, and it is a wonderful instrument. They are hard to come by here in the States.


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Originally Posted by AaronSF
My teacher has a Hamburg Steinway C, and it is a wonderful instrument. They are hard to come by here in the States.


Ohhhh, have you played on it? If so, what did you think? I have heard such glorious things about them.

Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2836578
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Originally Posted by KiraM423
Originally Posted by AaronSF
My teacher has a Hamburg Steinway C, and it is a wonderful instrument. They are hard to come by here in the States.


Ohhhh, have you played on it? If so, what did you think? I have heard such glorious things about them.


On some online forums (this one included), there were posters who would consider Steinway C inferior to a B or D. In US, Steinway Cs are rare, due to cessation of production at the New York factory in early part of the 20th century. I may have heard one or two in concerts outside US, but I cannot recall how they sounded.

On the other hand, a few months ago I did encounter one at the Steinway Hall in New York City. It was placed at the basement showroom and was labeled "sold". It was new and thus was made in Hamburg. I tried it for a few minutes and the piano was phenomenal. Within an hour I was at Faust Harrison piano trying a Fazioli F228. The F228 was well prepped, but I prefer that Steinway C, also well prepped, more than the F228.


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2836580
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Originally Posted by KiraM423
Originally Posted by AaronSF
My teacher has a Hamburg Steinway C, and it is a wonderful instrument. They are hard to come by here in the States.


Ohhhh, have you played on it? If so, what did you think? I have heard such glorious things about them.


Kira, a little humble advice and a question: how would you feel, as you look for the elusive Steinway C, if someone else were to buy the Bosie 225? You have found a piano that you love, that has passed a tech inspection. That is not easy or quick.

If you can see yourself loving to play the Bosie, don’t let it get away for a unicorn you might not like. Piano choice is personal; ten posters might love the Steinway C, but it would not be right for you.

When I was looking for my first grand piano a few years ago, I found a piano I loved to touch and hear, so I bought it and have had no regrets. Are there other pianos out there that might be better for me? Absolutely, but I’ve had no desire to go unicorn hunting . Don’t lose a piano you love.

FWIW


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: dogperson] #2836773
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Originally Posted by dogperson
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[quote=AaronSF]My teacher has a Hamburg Steinway C, and it is a wonderful instrument. They are hard to come by here in the States.


Absolutely, but I’ve had no desire to go unicorn hunting . Don’t lose a piano you love.

FWIW



I've always had a desire to go unicorn hurting wink

In all seriousness, I will leap at the chance of having the opportunity to play any of the instruments that I haven't played. Does this mean I'll hold out until I've played every one? Absolutely not. But, I will probably always have the desire to catch at least a glimpse of each one. wink

Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2836780
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Hi Kira,

Good luck in your final decision. I have shared this link before, but in case you missed it, here is a video of an 1889 S&S C that we restored for a Dr. Carl Cranmer (Juilliard Guy who is a prof. at West Chester U. in Pa.):

https://www.cunninghampiano.com/piano-of-the-week-a-rare-1889-rebuilt-steinway-c/

Cheers!


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: Rich Galassini] #2836809
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Hi Kira,

Good luck in your final decision. I have shared this link before, but in case you missed it, here is a video of an 1889 S&S C that we restored for a Dr. Carl Cranmer (Juilliard Guy who is a prof. at West Chester U. in Pa.):

https://www.cunninghampiano.com/piano-of-the-week-a-rare-1889-rebuilt-steinway-c/

Cheers!

I came across this one the other day. The playing (which starts about 6 minutes in) and the piano both sound great!


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2836829
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I’ve owned 7 or 8 pianos but could never find one I really connected with. Finally about four years ago I found one I did - I spent two days in the showroom and couldn’t leave it. I bought it and four years later I still know it was the one.
Buy it, already!

Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2837012
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I have never played a bosendorfer but from what I've heard on youtube they definitely have a characteristic timbre. Since you found one you like, just buy it. Life is short.


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: Fidel] #2837073
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Originally Posted by Fidel
I have never played a Bosendorfer but from what I've heard on youtube they definitely have a characteristic timbre. Since you found one you like, just buy it. Life is short.

With pianos like this, hand made, there can be quite a difference between 2 seemingly identical pianos. And they take on a character unique to that piano as it gets voiced and regulated for the environment and the owner's desire. That's why we're suggesting to the OP that, if she's found "the" piano, that she buy it - the next seemingly identical piano mightn't please her at all.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2837773
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Kira--

I play my teacher's Steinway C at every lesson. Its sound is typical of Steinway in that the bass is full and very resonant and the treble is clear and bright. It has great sustain. She had new hammers installed last year. That plus the subsequent regulations improved the responsiveness of the action considerably. However, it's had 30 years of hard use and the action really needs to be rebuilt (I can feel the jacks slipping out from under the knuckles as I play). In its current condition it is difficult to play a dynamic softer than mezzo piano, though articulating tones is easy. The action, even with the weight of the new hammers, is still very light. The mezzo forte to fortissimo range is glorious. With a little rebuilding it would be a phenomenal instrument.

I also love, love, love my August Förster 215, but they are even harder to find in the States than a Steinway C. Be happy! End the search! Buy the Bösendorfer 225! I've played them and they are great instruments.


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Originally Posted by AaronSF
(I can feel the jacks slipping out from under the knuckles as I play). .


Shoulda done the knuckles when they did the hammers.... Then again, probably shoulda done a lot more while they had it taken apart. It's more expensive to piecemeal things, but OTOH, you also can get into mission creep and end up with a huge project or a full rebuild.


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Originally Posted by AaronSF
Kira--

I play my teacher's Steinway C at every lesson. Its sound is typical of Steinway in that the bass is full and very resonant and the treble is clear and bright. It has great sustain. She had new hammers installed last year. That plus the subsequent regulations improved the responsiveness of the action considerably. However, it's had 30 years of hard use and the action really needs to be rebuilt (I can feel the jacks slipping out from under the knuckles as I play). In its current condition it is difficult to play a dynamic softer than mezzo piano, though articulating tones is easy. The action, even with the weight of the new hammers, is still very light. The mezzo forte to fortissimo range is glorious. With a little rebuilding it would be a phenomenal instrument.

I also love, love, love my August Förster 215, but they are even harder to find in the States than a Steinway C. Be happy! End the search! Buy the Bösendorfer 225! I've played them and they are great instruments.


Wow, feeling the jacks slipping does not sound good! It's too bad that she wasn't able to have that addressed when she had the hammers replaced, but I can understand not wanting to open the possibility of it turning into a complete restoration (if many many things are wrong with it) too. And yes, August Forster is very hard to find. I think I may have left it off my original list, but it was one I was also hoping to track down and play if I expanded my search to the coasts.

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Are you feeling the jack slipping out from under the knuckle as the hammer rises, or the jack hitting the let-off button and slipping? The first is a problem, although it is easily fixed, while the second is normal.


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Re: Bosendorfer 225 Please help! [Re: KiraM423] #2838140
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BDB--

The former. I know the technician who replaced the hammers. He was great, but sadly he moved to Spain, leaving us without a great piano technician here in Santa Fe.

The hammers came already on the shanks from Steinway, so they came with new knuckles. (His personal preference would have been to buy the hammers and shanks separately, but that was out of my teacher's budget.) I'm sure he did all the necessary regulation. He was fanatical (as a technician should be) about getting the striking point exact with the new hammers, so I doubt he fudged on the regulation.

Still there is a noticeable feeling of the jack coming out from under the knuckle on quite a few notes. Not quite a ka-lunk feel but noticeable. Maybe the knuckles need a tad of lubrication. Maybe the position of the jack in the slot is leaning a little to one side on some of the whippens. Maybe the jack spring is weak (not common in my experience). Maybe all the jacks need to be re-pinned. Who knows without investigating?


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The jack spring on a Steinway is the repetition spring, and they do wear out.

You did not answer my question.


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Like I said, the former...jack slipping out from knuckle, not jack hitting let-off button.


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Back to the OP -- Did you buy the Bosie 225 like we all said you should? ;-)


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I also thought some of you might have experience playing the Bose 225 and might be able to share your thoughts about it's versatility for different types of music.

I remember speaking to a Bösendorfer dealer about the 225, not long ago. He said: "Never has an instrument been so much loved by so few". So what did he mean? The Bösendrofer 225 is dedicated to the tradition of Viennese piano building. It follows that it is best suited for the classical repertoire. It is not without reason that they made the VC models.

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