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Can't get a good sound in any software instrument
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Hi everybody!

First of all I want to say that I am new to both playing piano, and the midi/software side. I would also like to say that my english isn't that good....but I hope I can find the words to explain what my problem is.

I bought a Yamaha CSP-170 a couple of months ago, and I like it very much! For my untrained ears it sounds pretty good.

I stumbled over some Youtube videos of people playing piano with midi kontrollers and software instruments.....I especially liked NOIRE Piano from Native Instruments.

So I first ordered a Focusrite 2i4, a couple of Presonus E5 monitors, and all the cables I needed and hooked it up. I also have a pair of Audio Technica M50. I have this connected to my Macbook Pro.

Before buying any software I wanted to try out some free stuff.....so I have so far tested out the following;

Garage Band
NI Komplete
Pro Tools First
Addictive Keys
Pianoteq (free demo)

And they all sound pretty bad.....compared to the sound coming from my Yamaha, and especially Youtube videos I have watch, where people review all these different programs.

I have found sounds that sound amazing in some of these programs....but when it comes to piano sound, it's terrible. The best piano sound I have found is the one that comes with Pro Tools, and to my surprise....the worst one is Pianoteq!

Im not sure how to explain the sound.....but it sounds like a piano in a tight room.....with a electric, metallic sound on top......almost like a grand piano sound, and then on top of that is someone playing with a toy keyboard for 50 bucks! I also feel like it sounds a bit false, and that the pitch is slightly going up and down.

There must be something Im missing.....because I don't think it should sound like this. I was expecting and hoping that it might even sound better than the sound from my Yamaha.....but as for right now, I would probably rate the sound from the Yamaha as 8/10, and the sound Im getting from Pianoteq 3/10

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I've never heard Garage Band or NI Complete or Pro Tools.
But I can agree that Pianoteq sounds bad and Addictive Keys, too.
I don't use any of those.

But don't let that bad sampling ruin your perception of virtual piano software. There are many excellent ones.

I mostly use Galaxy Vintage D and The Grandeur ... and occasionally the Vienna Grand and The Giant.
These all run inside the Kontakt software. (The Kontakt Player software is free.)
All are better by far than my Yamaha ... and even more better with the new monitors I bought.

I suggest you try one of those ... or any of the many that are discussed here often. Perhaps ...
- Ravenscroft
- American D (if you like the Steinway sound)
- Noire (a brand new one ... see the recent posts here on the board)
- Garritan Steinway (if you like the Steinway sound)
- Garritan CFX (if you like the Yamaha sound)

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I thought that Pianoteq was one of the largest and best performing software for piano? And that one is the worst sounding one on my setup.....so I really feel that there must be something wrong with either the software, or the hardware. I would really want to get NOIRE.....but Im pretty sure it will sound awful as well......and not because of the software, but something else that Im missing. But I really don't know.....Im just guessing....

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Originally Posted by Gimbal
I thought that Pianoteq was one of the largest and best performing software for piano? And that one is the worst sounding one on my setup.....so I really feel that there must be something wrong with either the software, or the hardware.

On this forum, of those who like VSTs at all, you will find people divided into the "Modelled Piano Fans" group, and the "Sampled Piano Fans" group. The latter usually hates modeled pianos like Pianoteq. Can't speak about those in the former group, which I fall in, as I haven't heard any who likes Pianoteq say specifically that they don't like sampled pianos, and I myself have not yet tried a sampled VST at all. Also, this oversimplifies things as there are people who like some VSTs and don't like other VSTs and it seems to not have anything to do with whether they are modeled or sampled, but just personal preference. You may just fall into the latter group, yourself, and not be a fan of modeled sound.


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if you want to compare with a sampled piano without purchasing it, you can go to try-sound.com and try Galaxy Vintage D, Ivory and VSL Vienna Imperial pianos. The latency is huge and then it is difficult to play, but you can hear yourself playing and know if the timbre of the pianos worth its costs.

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laugh laugh You just made my day! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything or else I might have snorted it! thumb


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Please tell me this is (dark) humor.

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you could trying do this, run the sound through your Yamaha piano speakers and see how that sounds, instead of studio monitors. I know some people don't like studio monitors but rather internal speakers. Simply get a cable from headphone jack out from scarlet 2i4 into your piano line in and go to system settings and turn local control off on the yamaha piano

But be warned , not internal sounds might offer the best experience because they are calliberated so well. Good Luck and let us know how it goes.


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Please tell me this is (dark) humor

No, it's quite serious. BB Player told me--in the strictest confidence, of course--that he and Frank have just about had enough of entirely groundless, Eastern European originated, rabid anti-Pianoteqism and are currently considering their options.

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Hello Gimbal,

Try pianoteq using "bechstein player" preset with decent headphones and binaural mode. If it sounds bad to you then definitely pianoteq is not is not for you. Pianoteq strong point is its playability and if you are just starting with piano maybe you still can't appreciate this feature. Even if I like pianoteq IMO it's not the best sounding VST by a mile

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Please tell me this is (dark) humor

No, it's quite serious. BB Player told me--in the strictest confidence, of course--that he and Frank have just about had enough of entirely groundless, Eastern European originated, rabid anti-Pianoteqism and are currently considering their options.

I had heard rumors that three strikes against the Holy Church of Pianoteq and you are out of the Internet, but didn't want to believe them ;-P

Going back to make three Hanon's with pianoteq to redeem myself.

Carlos

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You can also try reconfiguring the position of your piano, your monitors and your room a bit to see if that helps. There are plenty of threads here with ideas.

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@Gimbal: Another thing to consider: listen with headphones instead of speakers. There's much variability in the latter.
After trying that, do you notice a difference? Does your judgment change?

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This is funny.
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But I'm disappointed for not being called out.
Call me disgruntled.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
This is funny.
Originally Posted by CyberGene
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But I'm disappointed for not being called out.
Call me disgruntled.

Naturally you wouldn't have been. The OP neither mention buying things at MSRP, nor said they would be buying without trying, either of which would have been your cue! wink grin


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Well ... it seems you know my style and motivations ...
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I'm disappointed for not being called out.
Call me disgruntled.
Naturally you wouldn't have been. The OP neither mention buying things at MSRP, nor said they would be buying without trying, either of which would have been your cue! wink grin

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Well ... it seems you know my style and motivations ...
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm disappointed for not being called out.
Call me disgruntled.
Naturally you wouldn't have been. The OP neither mention buying things at MSRP, nor said they would be buying without trying, either of which would have been your cue! wink grin


It was a joke (or light-hearted teasing/ribbing), MacMacMac! grin


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