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Choosing second hand digital 2019 #2839310
04/15/19 05:10 AM
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for some advice regarding buying a piano (yes I know this is a reoccurring theme here). I'd appreciate hearing everyone's opinions.

I'm a real beginner at piano and I did spend a long time researching online, including on this forum, before I bought my first digital piano - a Kawai kdp110 that I'm very happy with (even if I do think that one or two of the c keys makes an odd clicking sound when the volumes low). I wanted good key action and I chose this over what I'd initially chosen - the fp-30 - because I hated the sound of the Roland (I think it was the speakers fault like others say as the F-140 that I tried sounded fine) and because I loved the look of the Kawai's console.

My problem is that I live away from my piano during the week, and as such would like a keyboard that I can practice on during this time. As it's my second keyboard I don't want to spend too much money on it but I'd still like it to have a decent action - I don't really mind about the rest. I've been focusing on second hand piano's as I'd prefer to spend less then USD$400 , and am hoping this way the resale value won't drop as much as it would for a new piano.

I have been ignoring the np series as I've read the keys are a different size. I'm not a huge fan of the Casio px160 as I believe I tried this in store. The reason I say believe, is because I'm hoping that I'm miss-remembering the model number because the keys were so light and plastic-y compared to the kdp110 and fp30 - or any of the other digital pianos I've tried - that it was just an absolute joke. Is this anyone elses experience?

So I've been seriously considering buying an es100 (USD$400 - plan is to negotiate), or p155 (USD$290) (better action then P45 series even though older). And like I said I've been avoiding the px series.


1. Is USD$290 still a good deal for the p155? Is the GH action worth it?

2. Would the p80/p120 etc be just as good as the p155?

3. Or should I just get a P45 if I can find it at USD$250 OR the refurbished korg b1 at USD$325? OR the p70 at USD$135 despite it being a long drive away?

4. Is the es100 and p155 really equivalent in key action? Does this mean the p155 is worse in this regard then the kdp110?

5. Any other suggestions/opinions?



I'm looking forward to hearing what everyone thinks!


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For context here are the prices I can currently find new and used piano's at:

Kawai es100 AUD$550/USD$400 used (But a 2hr drive one-way)
[Es110 AUD750/USD$540 new]

Yamaha p155 AUD$400/USD$290 used (non-negotiable) No music rest.
[P255 AUD$1500/USD$1100 new, discounted due to clearing out old model]

Yamaha p70 AUD$200/USD$145 with some cosmetic damage, 1hr drive away.


Yamaha P45 AUD$400 to AUD$450 used (Approx USD$290 - USD$325, however is occasionally listed at AUD$350/USD$250 [the p35 is generally sold at around the same price as the p45].Costs AUD$540 (USD$400) brand new.


Px760 AUD$700/USD$500 used
PX750 AUD$600/USD$430 used
Cdp130 AUD$500/USD$360 used
Cdp120 AUD$400/USD$290 used
Casio ps20 AUD$400/USD$290 used incl postage (eBay)

Fp-10 AUD$720/USD$515 new
Cdp135 AUD$550/USD$400 new
Korg b1 AUD$550/USD$400 new
Korg b1 AUD$450/USD$325 manufacturer refurbished +1yr warranty (ebay)

There's also a used p80 auction on eBay ending in five days

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Ps I've used Google to convert the currencies as I live in Australia.
You're welcome to mention additional models to those listed.
However they are likely not for sale near me atm, though I'm keeping an eye out. Most used piano's aren't listed for sale under USD$290 regardless of age, make or model - and if they are they often sell immediately.


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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839312
04/15/19 05:16 AM
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A P-155 sounds like an excellent choice to me. I really like Yamaha keyboards: well-built and nice voices, too. Alternatively go for the new P-45, which is also a really good keyboard for the price range.


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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839317
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If the P155 is in good working order it's the easy choice, heads above the rest.

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And if you go for the P-155 it's easy to buy a replacement music rest for it.


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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839334
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Thanks for the confirmation. I've been holding off as my sister thinks it's over kill to buy a second instrument.
I tried looking for another music rest and I haven't seen one that I can buy in Australia, or overseas without really high postage frown

Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839339
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I think - and I'm happy to be corrected - that music rests are the same fit right across the Yamaha range, so a replacement rest for a P-115 would fit. Something like:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_p_105_p_115_music_rest.htm

But perhaps someone could confirm that?


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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839378
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Including postage thats still about USD$80.
I'm also curious if it would fit..

I do have a standalone music rest so I can probably make do with that.

Thank you both.

Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839386
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Yeah, get the P155

If it's good enough for Kevin, it's good for you!



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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839410
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Originally Posted by Harmonised
Including postage thats still about USD$80.
I'm also curious if it would fit..

I do have a standalone music rest so I can probably make do with that.

Thank you both.


I'm sure there must be Yamaha dealers in Australia. It would probably be worthwhile giving one a ring and enquiring about a replacement rest.

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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2839591
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Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
A P-155 sounds like an excellent choice to me.


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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: MacMacMac] #2839721
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
If the P155 is in good working order it's the easy choice, heads above the rest.


I believe the Yamaha P-155 was the same generation as the Kawai ES6, and were considered as reasonably close competitors. The ES100 utilised the same keyboard action and sound engine as the ES6, and while the cabinet, speaker power, and variety of feature specifications are less than the ES6, the overall playing experience (through headphones) should be largely the same.

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Re: Choosing second hand digital 2019 [Re: Harmonised] #2839804
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I don't think you had tried PX-160 if you say the keys were very light and plastic. I think you must tried the CDP which would sort of fit the description more, but I have feeling you had tried Korg digital piano instead :-)

You had listed other PX, but here is the skinny - all PX use the same keybed. If you buy PX-160 or PX-860, 760, 750 - you have the same keyboard. So if you actually tried PX-160 then you tried them all.

Don't even consider the casio CDP - those are basically oriented for young piano students who are not very serious (sort of let's see if lil Johny would like piano lessons), yes they are much better than any of the plastic keyboards in walmart like yamaha PSR or other casio, but not in the same level as privia.
Don't go for Korg. Korg has their DP made by medeli (a chinese giant producing hundreds of sticker keyboards and pianos under different names). If I had nickel every time I hear about some korg keys stopped working suddenly I would have bag of nickels to buy yamaha.

Indeed the listed yamahas are probably your best choice for the budget. Also hold their value longer than casio. You can practically buy used P155, play it for year or two and sell it for the same price.

Last edited by oscar1; 04/16/19 09:28 AM.

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