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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: JoBert] #2829687
03/21/19 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
One thing about included manual. I think Kawai has best manual from all pianos I had so far.


Thank you for the positive feedback. wink

Originally Posted by Nordomus
James will be happy to hear that. IIRC, he writes those manuals (or is responsible for them, or something like that).


Only the English versions - the translations are prepared by an agency.

Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Kawai James] #2829787
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Originally Posted by Grandman

Hey, Nordomus, glad to hear your situation was handled to your satisfaction and that you are enjoying the Kawai. I'm sure the CA 98 will bring you much joy.


One situation handled but another awaiting reaction from retailer. Hopefuly I will get some info soon.

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Only the English versions - the translations are prepared by an agency.


Yeah I was talking about english version. Also I'm guessing other languages are simple translations and layout is the same.

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2829801
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Grandman

Hey, Nordomus, glad to hear your situation was handled to your satisfaction and that you are enjoying the Kawai. I'm sure the CA 98 will bring you much joy.


One situation handled but another awaiting reaction from retailer. Hopefuly I will get some info soon.

Originally Posted by Kawai James

Only the English versions - the translations are prepared by an agency.


Yeah I was talking about english version. Also I'm guessing other languages are simple translations and layout is the same.


I agree that the User Manual is very good.

But we definitely need KJ to write a proper MIDI reference manual. Just compare the ref manual from Yamaha and Kawai (page 172)...

It would also be great if the usability and quality of the User Manual were matched by the GUI smile


Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: arc7urus] #2829811
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Originally Posted by arc7urus
I agree that the User Manual is very good.


Wow, thank you arc! blush

Originally Posted by arc7urus
But we definitely need KJ to write a proper MIDI reference manual. Just compare the ref manual from Yamaha and Kawai (page 172)...


Yes, I see your point. I will try to improve this for the CA99 owner's manual. wink

Cheers,
James
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ps. I recommend referring (linking) to the owner's manuals stored on the Kawai Global server, as they're guaranteed to be the most up-to-date versions.


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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2829850
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Ah, the ol' front rail problem strikes again. There's a long piece of flexible white plastic that has the front rail pins embedded in it. It has a tendency to slap against the metal chassis and make clunks and clicks on random keys. Kawai will blame [transportation / you / the bogieman / anyone but their dodgy design] for this common problem that should have been fixed years ago. Using a nice piece of wood like piano makers have done for hundreds of years would probably solve it, but I guess it's a cost-saving measure.

I fixed mine by basically taking the whole key action apart, putting it back together a couple of times, and hoping for the best. Seemed to work - but I don't really recommend it.

Edit: looking at the video again, it could also be the middle pin rail, which is a similar kind of situation, with a plastic rail strapped to the metal. With this one, I found that it would make clicks the first time I played that key, then not again until I played a different key. The rail was clearly shifting / bending slightly between two positions. Again, could be fixed with a wooden rail.

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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2829856
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Well technician will come next week so I will see for myself what is the problem.

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Kawai James] #2829907
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by arc7urus
But we definitely need KJ to write a proper MIDI reference manual. Just compare the ref manual from Yamaha and Kawai (page 172)...


Yes, I see your point. I will try to improve this for the CA99 owner's manual. wink

Roland also has good and thorough MIDI manuals, even for their low-end DPs. For example, here is the separate MIDI manual for their entry-level FP30.


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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2830112
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Hey Nordomus,

One last question about the sound. I've been in a shop today where they had the Roland GP607.
This one has the same sound engine as the older generation Rolands (HP603/605, LX7/17). I'm totally in love with the second sound, the "ballad piano".
I don't know if you ever played on the previous generation but do you think you can replicate this one using the piano designer on the LX706/708 since it is more or less the same technology?

Thanks!

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2830213
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Another vote for Kawai James manuals. I’m an old fart whose owned a lot of synths over the last 40 years or so and all of my KAWAI manuals are well done. The CS10 manual is awesome and very very well done. Thanks James!


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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Mauw] #2830252
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Originally Posted by Mauw
Hey Nordomus,

One last question about the sound. I've been in a shop today where they had the Roland GP607.
This one has the same sound engine as the older generation Rolands (HP603/605, LX7/17). I'm totally in love with the second sound, the "ballad piano".
I don't know if you ever played on the previous generation but do you think you can replicate this one using the piano designer on the LX706/708 since it is more or less the same technology?

Thanks!


Well my sound memory is a little fuzzy but I think you can get close enough to it. Mind that core sound engine is different so it might be hard. But I actually had HP 605 and like you I've used ballad piano almost exclusively and I was happy with European Grand 2 sound on LX 708. I think you will love it.

Back to CA98. After few days of usage I'm in love with this soundboard, even middle C vibrates so nice, it's incomparable to any speaker system. Now I wonder why in the world they did NOT use soundboard in Novus NV10? Great technology. And after using Wall EQ resonances are tempered enough for it to be less overwhelming. It's still scary how powerful it is, good scary.

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2830285
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
...Back to CA98. After few days of usage I'm in love with this soundboard, even middle C vibrates so nice, it's incomparable to any speaker system. Now I wonder why in the world they did NOT use soundboard in Novus NV10? Great technology. And after using Wall EQ resonances are tempered enough for it to be less overwhelming. It's still scary how powerful it is, good scary.

If you have an iOS device, download AudioKit's SynthOne and Digital D1 (https://audiokitpro.com/synth/). Connect the device to the DP via BT and the audio via line-in. Turn up the volume. Try the different instruments. Enjoy :-) Your neighbours probably won't.

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Originally Posted by arc7urus
Originally Posted by Nordomus
...Back to CA98. After few days of usage I'm in love with this soundboard, even middle C vibrates so nice, it's incomparable to any speaker system. Now I wonder why in the world they did NOT use soundboard in Novus NV10? Great technology. And after using Wall EQ resonances are tempered enough for it to be less overwhelming. It's still scary how powerful it is, good scary.

If you have an iOS device, download AudioKit's SynthOne and Digital D1 (https://audiokitpro.com/synth/). Connect the device to the DP via BT and the audio via line-in. Turn up the volume. Try the different instruments. Enjoy :-) Your neighbours probably won't.

Haha will do, not gonna push it too far though smile

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2839148
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Few weeks after:

Still waiting for keyboard fix, probably next week.

I still love the soundboard, maybe even more smile I'm also still amazed that Kawai did not use this design in NV10. Also strange that other DP manufacturers did not use this idea as well. Anyway it's very different feeling of sound than simple speaker setup. I was surprised myself that it makes such difference.

Sound engine grew a bit on me but I still think treble is a bit uninteresting. But it is very small thing. I've tried some VST pianos but honestly Kawai sound engine is good enough for me. Overall it's sound is sweet and deep, and the resonances make pretty nice vibrations.

UI itself is OK, but there are some annoyances like the fact that romantic preset is set with echo effect and that default value can't be changed, even by saving via favorites. Or that soundboard wall EQ should be on by default because like 95% of people put piano near the wall not in the middle of the room, seriously who in Kawai thought that setting this to off will be good idea?

Overall I'm happy, or rather as long as the keyboard issue will be resolved I will be happy,

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2839150
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Few weeks after:

Still waiting for keyboard fix, probably next week.

Long suffering Nordomus. You deserve a good outcome my friend! thumb

How do you think the action and sound compare between the LX708 & CA98?


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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2839157
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Would I be right in saying a new CA range is due next year? Also a new yamaha clp range.. Im interested in both ranges so I'll wait until they're revealed.

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2839162
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Is it fair to say that the new CA/CLP will be better than the current offering?
Based on thickfingers’ theorem they will be unplayable, but I want to remain optimistic and hope for a better tomorrow. shocked

Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2839169
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Long suffering Nordomus. You deserve a good outcome my friend! thumb

How do you think the action and sound compare between the LX708 & CA98?

Thank you my friend smile

Well in comparison it's like that:
LX708- more advanced sound simulation, even sound throughout keyboard, great speaker system, plastic keyboard which has pretty nice mechanics but the feel and noisyness is not good.
CA98- pretty good sound simulation(close to Roland's), some sounds in treble range a bit too loud for me, amazing soundboard system(IMO the best sound system in DPs), great wooden keyboard which is very reponsive and has nice feel to it.

Not an easy choice I'd say. If LX 708 had wooden keyboard then it would be close to perfection, but still CA98 is very good as well AND has much better keyboard. I'm sticking with it for the time being. Will see what next generation of DPs will bring.

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The Kawai Soundboard renders tremendous tactile feedback to your fingers. I have the CA67 and miss it ...


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Re: Kawai CA98 [Re: Nordomus] #2839244
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Hello Nordomus,

Originally Posted by Nordomus
UI itself is OK, but there are some annoyances like the fact that romantic preset is set with echo effect and that default value can't be changed, even by saving via favorites.


I believe preset ambience types for the various Rendering Characters is part of the instrument's specification, however it should be possible to store custom values to a Favorite memory. Can you confirm that this does not work for you? Have you already updated to the v1.0.2g system software released at the beginning of the month?

Originally Posted by Nordomus
Or that soundboard wall EQ should be on by default because like 95% of people put piano near the wall not in the middle of the room, seriously who in Kawai thought that setting this to off will be good idea?


It should be possible to store the preferred Wall EQ setting using the Startup with Favorites function.

Originally Posted by Nordomus
some sounds in treble range a bit too loud for me


You might wish to adjust the Key Volume setting - the "High Damping" preset (which gradually reduces the volume of notes towards the treble end) is suitable for this.

Kind regards,
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Thank you James, once I test those things I'm gonna get back to you. Wall EQ is stored in favorites and this works, I'm just saying it should be on by default. I tested ambience with favorites but it didn't work, I had 1.0.2f at the time though, gonna update in free time and get back to you about that as well.

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