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Is my piano "untunable"? #2839143
04/14/19 03:08 PM
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Long story short, i havent played my piano for almost a year and half, cause i was away from home. I had it tuned a few days ago and this is how it sounds after roughly 8-10 hours of playing.
What can be done to normalise the sound? It was bought new 20 years ago and tuned regularly. I never liked the piano but i didnt know it is that bad, literally
takes all motivation away. What can be done? The brand is Petrof. Or should i just start saving money for new piano? smirk
I dont know how to describe the problem, so here is video. It was tuned just days ago, but i wasnt at home so couldnt speek to tuner.:/
I dont even know how to describe the problem, so i hope i get some help here. Thanks in advance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DufDyBL3me0

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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839145
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The tuning does not sound too bad. The recording is not that great, and the music is very repetitious, and there is a lot of pedal, so it is difficult to know what you think the problem is.


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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839149
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Welcome to the forum Greenmiles.

It is a little difficult to address the situation without more information. For instance:

1) Just how long was it since the PREVIOUS tuning on the piano?

2) Was it necessary for the tuner to perform a pitch correction? (this is tantamount to a double tuning, the first to get it back into the realm of proper tension on the scale, the second to actually tune it).
I'm guessing you don't know.

3) Though there is definitely some out of out-of-tuneness, how many days is "a few days"?
Much can happen to even the best tuning in several days if there is any fluctuation of temperature and/or humidity. Add long, heavy playing and you have a recipe for a degree of failure.

4) Are you perhaps also hearing the strong bright, pingy sound of the piano? Not only does this affect the o really sound of the tuning, it also just sounds annoying.
However, this is not generally part of "tuning" per se. It is rather "voicing" of the hammers and would normally require another appt and consultation between you and the tech.

5) If it has had 20 years of playing and nothing more than just tuning, then it is overdue for some action work.

Many people assume that "tuning" a piano takes care of all of the piano's needs. Also, some people think that "regular" tuning means every few years or so. Not so at all. Much more is involved. And then there is the overall ability and skill of the technician. In the event that there was a "shop around" for the lowest price vs find the best quality regardless of price, that may have something to do with the situation.

We have no way of knowing these things unless you can fill us in. Others may have even more questions.

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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839160
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IMO it might be better if you play some single notes. Each for 2-3 seconds. Then some octaves. Again each for 2-3 seconds.

Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839166
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It sounds to me like it mainly needs voicing. The tuning wasn’t too bad, but a very bright tone can emphasise any out-of-tuneness there is. I think a good voicing (by a competent technician) and another tuning would make you happy.

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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839173
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I don't like the sound of your piano but it is not a tuning issue. The tone is too harsh and thin. It could be improved a bit by voicing but I would not expect miracles. There are limits on what you could expect with this piano.


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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839188
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Thanks for all the answers!

To answer some questions: piano was tuned at least 2 per year, or even 3-4 times. It has been, however, tuned only once per 1,5 year during last 6 years. Last tuning was 1,5 - 2 years ago.
However, i rememer that i always had same frustration when playing this piano, main problem being the sound of repeated notes when using pedal. One of the main problems are also larger or pp chords, it just seem that they cant be played without some tones sounding delayed. It might be tehnique problem to some degree, but since i didnt have a problem like that on a grand i was recently practicing on, id also say it has something to do with piano.
Some keys just go down much harder then the others, making it imposible to play "perfectly" even chords, or controling every tone in chords.

The main problem i have with sound are especially repeted notes, i uploaded another video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNenToQyCnA

What is voicing and what is an estimated cost (very roughly, as i am aware that prices vary a lot), is it something simmilar than tuning or something you cant get done with paying half a grand?

Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839198
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I thought I heard a double strike. That would be a regulation issue.

The depressing reality is that even though you spend money on a piano and expect it to be ‘right’ coming out of the shop, the condition of a piano when you buy it has a lot to do with how much the shop puts into it. Pianos don’t necessarily come from the factories in perfect condition (some better than others, or course). Unfortunately that work, if it was ever done properly, is in your lap.

I personally think you could get your piano sounding very good with competent voicing (voicing in this case would primarily be ‘stabbing’ the hammers with a specific tool which has needles). Get someone in to do some regulation and voicing. Expect several hundred dollars for that, but actual cost will depend on technician and location.

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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839209
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There is definitely a difference between a GOOD grand and a mediocre upright. Both in tone and in touch response. Add 20 years of use with no regulation and you probably have significant.lost motion between the keys and action. Correcting this in and of itself could address what you are talking about.

What part of Earth do you live in?

Pwg


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Re: Is my piano "untunable"? [Re: GreenMiLES] #2839231
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Had a real problem understanding your explanation of the tunings and how often, but the piano is definitely out of tune. Along with the other issues mentioned above. You need to spring a bit to get it back in shape (hammers filed, proper regulation work, and a good tuning again with a good voicing of hammers). Petrof is a fairly decent mfg.
And yes, it would be quite normal for a piano to fall out of tune very quickly if it has been more than a year since tuned and had fallen flat more than 7 or 8 cents, and if the tuner just pulled it up one time through to A440. The piano will want to go back to where it was in short time. Most pianos will need to have their pitch stabilized (a pitch raise or lowering) before a tuning is attempted, if the piano goes 2 years or more without a tuning.


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