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Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta #2819235
02/23/19 12:48 PM
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Hopefully the mellow tone of the Sauter works for this early Debussy piece



Sauter Delta 185, Bosendorfer 225, Ibach F III 215


Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2819485
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It worked very nicely!


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Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2828955
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Just wonderful! This instrument has an impressive range of dynamics. Incredible how softly one can touch the keys and still get a sound on this Sauter. The piece is in my repertoire as well. Funny how we all end up playing the same pieces...

Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2829068
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Thanks both. It is really is pretty charming piece to play. Good to test the lower end of the dynamic range for any piano.

The impressive dynamics of the Sauter is both a function of its design - which really is intended to maximise the dynamic and tonal range - and some customization of the touch and voicing to my specific playing style and tastes. I should add as well that this Delta is using larger and softer Abel hammers than the original hammers from the factory (hence the mellower tone)

As for the choice of repertoire, I guess we both have a taste for lyrical music, but in my case, my choices are also dictated by an injury in the right hand that limits dexterity and consequently confines me to slower music. I guess one just needs to make the best out of the cards one is dealt with!


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Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2836090
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Recorded the same piece on my friend's 2012 NY Steinway A. Different acoustic and recording set up, but the tonal contrast between the Steinway and Sauter is quite interesting


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Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2836497
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The tonal contrast between the two really are "different". I preferred the Sauter.


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Both sounded very good. You are lucky to be able to play on grand pianos !. I enjoyed listening. Thanks !

Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2837574
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And for yet another comparison, here's the same piece played on a Shigeru SK6 I used to own (now sold to my friend)


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Re: Claude Debussy - Reverie - Sauter 185 Delta [Re: Wzkit1] #2837966
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Hi, Wzkit1 -- I'd have to give "first prize" to the Sauter, with the Shigeru Kawai close behind. The Steinway is also a fine performance, but pieces like Reverie seem just made for the gradation of "softs" that can be achieved more easily on the Sauter and Kawai than the Steinway. I understand that Debussy himself had a Bluthner, but I believe he would have gravitated strongly to the possibilities that a Sauter or Shigeru Kawai have to offer. Thanks for sharing these!

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
Hi, Wzkit1 -- I'd have to give "first prize" to the Sauter, with the Shigeru Kawai close behind. The Steinway is also a fine performance, but pieces like Reverie seem just made for the gradation of "softs" that can be achieved more easily on the Sauter and Kawai than the Steinway. I understand that Debussy himself had a Bluthner, but I believe he would have gravitated strongly to the possibilities that a Sauter or Shigeru Kawai have to offer. Thanks for sharing these!


+1. I agree with Tim Adrianson.


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Thanks Tim and Noblehouse. Its interesting to see how perceptions and tastes vary. If you see the latest comment on the Steinway video, the rankings are precisely in the opposite order. Steinway first, and Sauter third, with Kawai in the middle.

To be fair, the Steinway was recorded with a mobile phone in a smaller space with very reflective acoustic (marble flooring, in a corner), whereas the Sauters and Shigeru Kawai were recorded using the Zoom Q8, and in far larger spaces with parquet flooring.
Under those circumstances, the Steinway would come across as unusually "boomy"

But having played many makes, I would still say Steinway is one of the most versatile and balanced instruments out there, although in some repertoire, other makes might fare better. For example, the mix of warmth, clarity and treble sustain in the Sauter works extremely well for "watery" runs in Debussy and Ravel, and also for Chopin and perhaps Bach and much of the classical repertoire. But I would probably think the rich overtones of the Steinway would come across better for Rachmaninoff (though the Sauter would be no slouch either).


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