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20+ songs with the same mistake before and after the lesson.
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Recently, a young piano teacher sent me recordings of 20+ songs along with the question: why do they sound boring, although all the notes and rhythm are perfectly correct?

In all these recordings, I found only ONE the same mistake that almost all pianists make today. But this mistake, as usual, is made in each measure of each song.

Having received my answer this young teacher recorded the same songs without this error. Now they sound much better.
In order to make this error more noticeable, I put the corrected version FIRST here, and the initial version - the SECOND.

I invite everyone to notice this error and suggest a way to correct it.

I ask everyone who can, to indicate to me at least one record available for listening on the Internet, on which the pianist does not make this mistake.

Thank you in advance!

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Vladimir Dounin #2838508 04/12/19 06:34 PM
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What's the point of this

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Vladimir Dounin #2838513 04/12/19 06:54 PM
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No need to pretend this is a new topic. This is the exact same premise as the OP's previous threads.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2830486/1.html
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2830466/1.html


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Originally Posted by AAC127
What's the point of this


Can you point and identify this mistake? What would you recommend to fix this problem?

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Originally Posted by rach3master
No need to pretend this is a new topic. This is the exact same premise as the OP's previous threads.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2830486/1.html
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2830466/1.html



Topic is as old as music itself: how to play better? How to avoid typical mistakes? What is the best way to fix the problem of this kind?

Share your opinion, please, if you have one.


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Vladimir Dounin #2838614 04/13/19 04:49 AM
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This is the same bull crap fake topic you've been posting for years.

Give it a rest.

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Vladimir Dounin #2838665 04/13/19 09:50 AM
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Why the coyness? Just tell us what the problem and its solution is, so we can bask in the shining light of your cleverness!


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Vladimir Dounin #2838716 04/13/19 01:02 PM
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You have too much time on your hands my friend, get practising instead.

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Vladimir Dounin #2838739 04/13/19 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin

In all these recordings, I found only ONE the same mistake that almost all pianists make today. But this mistake, as usual, is made in each measure of each song.

Having received my answer this young teacher recorded the same songs without this error. Now they sound much better.
In order to make this error more noticeable, I put the corrected version FIRST here, and the initial version - the SECOND.

I invite everyone to notice this error and suggest a way to correct it.

I ask everyone who can, to indicate to me at least one record available for listening on the Internet, on which the pianist does not make this mistake.


I think I get what you're doing. But, I'm not sure how you can call this a "mistake". It seems more like an aesthetic disagreement. Personally, I don't agree that the corrected versions sound better. You're certainly welcome to play that way, although it makes me feel a bit...seasick? I would not call either of them right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin

In all these recordings, I found only ONE the same mistake that almost all pianists make today. But this mistake, as usual, is made in each measure of each song.

Having received my answer this young teacher recorded the same songs without this error. Now they sound much better.
In order to make this error more noticeable, I put the corrected version FIRST here, and the initial version - the SECOND.

I invite everyone to notice this error and suggest a way to correct it.

I ask everyone who can, to indicate to me at least one record available for listening on the Internet, on which the pianist does not make this mistake.


I think I get what you're doing. But, I'm not sure how you can call this a "mistake". It seems more like an aesthetic disagreement. Personally, I don't agree that the corrected versions sound better. You're certainly welcome to play that way, although it makes me feel a bit...seasick? I would not call either of them right or wrong.


I also think I get what is happening. But I also don't think they are "mistakes", but rather "interpretations".



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Rameau Menuet en rondeau

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Originally Posted by PianoWVBob
This is the same bull crap fake topic you've been posting for years.

Give it a rest.


If you do not understand or do not like these posts - simply do not read them. I do not force you to read something too difficult for you.


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Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
Why the coyness? Just tell us what the problem and its solution is, so we can bask in the shining light of your cleverness!


My next step will be exactly what you want. I will make separate posts on each piece/song with analyzing typical mistakes that pianists usually do performing this music.


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Originally Posted by fatar760
You have too much time on your hands my friend, get practising instead.


Do you really feel that I need more practicing on these songs? Let us listen to your performance of the same music: is there anything I have to learn from you?


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Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin

In all these recordings, I found only ONE the same mistake that almost all pianists make today. But this mistake, as usual, is made in each measure of each song.

Having received my answer this young teacher recorded the same songs without this error. Now they sound much better.
In order to make this error more noticeable, I put the corrected version FIRST here, and the initial version - the SECOND.

I invite everyone to notice this error and suggest a way to correct it.

I ask everyone who can, to indicate to me at least one record available for listening on the Internet, on which the pianist does not make this mistake.


I think I get what you're doing. But, I'm not sure how you can call this a "mistake". It seems more like an aesthetic disagreement. Personally, I don't agree that the corrected versions sound better. You're certainly welcome to play that way, although it makes me feel a bit...seasick? I would not call either of them right or wrong.


Your honest comment is a perfect proof of the problem:

After brainwashing at music schools modern pianists believe that artificial, soldiery accents on EACH beat One and Three are the only way to play. However, normal audience rejects this kind of "interpretation" and refuses to listen to such way to play.

If you ask your friends (without "special musical training" = brainwashing) they will definitely prefers each version "A".

I was honest in my recordings as well and did not play version "B" purposely worse. I just played the version "B" exactly like modern music schools teach.


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Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin
My next step will be exactly what you want. I will make separate posts on each piece/song with analyzing typical mistakes that pianists usually do performing this music.
No, we don't need 20+ threads with the same topic before and after this post. That spamming is surely a violation of forum rules.

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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin

In all these recordings, I found only ONE the same mistake that almost all pianists make today. But this mistake, as usual, is made in each measure of each song.

Having received my answer this young teacher recorded the same songs without this error. Now they sound much better.
In order to make this error more noticeable, I put the corrected version FIRST here, and the initial version - the SECOND.

I invite everyone to notice this error and suggest a way to correct it.

I ask everyone who can, to indicate to me at least one record available for listening on the Internet, on which the pianist does not make this mistake.


I think I get what you're doing. But, I'm not sure how you can call this a "mistake". It seems more like an aesthetic disagreement. Personally, I don't agree that the corrected versions sound better. You're certainly welcome to play that way, although it makes me feel a bit...seasick? I would not call either of them right or wrong.


I also think I get what is happening. But I also don't think they are "mistakes", but rather "interpretations".


Music is just one of the human languages. And we are not free to choose the right stress in the words of each language.

If we say “tomorr-O-w” instead of tom-O-rrow and yest-E-rday instead of y-E-sterday, then this is a mistake from the point of view of normal, ordinary listeners who (do not forget) pay us for our concerts. Even if we are so brainwashed with erroneous education that we consider such pronunciation of well known to everyone words as our "interpretation".


This is the first reason why the public no longer goes to concerts of pianists stamped with the same defect in the "factories of musicians".


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Originally Posted by rach3master
Originally Posted by Vladimir Dounin
My next step will be exactly what you want. I will make separate posts on each piece/song with analyzing typical mistakes that pianists usually do performing this music.
No, we don't need 20+ threads with the same topic before and after this post. That spamming is surely a violation of forum rules.


Expand your idea clearly:

1. Why do you call an explanation of typical mistakes "a violation of forum rules"?

2. What does mean your "we don't"? Who are "we" in your context, who do you represent in your comment? Who authorized you to speak on behalf of somebody else?

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Originally Posted by fatar760
You have too much time on your hands my friend, get practising instead.

This is the best advice to come out of this useless thread.

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Originally Posted by fatar760
You have too much time on your hands my friend, get practising instead.

This is the best advice to come out of this useless thread.


Do you know at least ANYTHING about the Intensity?

Do you really feel that I need more practicing on these songs? Let us listen to your performance of the same music: is there anything I have to learn from you?


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