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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
MacMacMac #2837006 04/08/19 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
You are brave my friend. Good luck!

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Who is the piano meant for? For you, or for her?
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Had a big disagreement with wife whether or not to get a digital piano or acoustic piano. She wants an acoustic where as I don't want to deal with the hassle of tuning the piano every now and then.

Myself, I wouldn't have done that if she is the one that plays piano and the piano is so she can play. As a general rule, I believe in the "happy wife, happy life" meme.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by Jason Tsang
Had a big disagreement with wife whether or not to get a digital piano or acoustic piano. She wants an acoustic where as I don't want to deal with the hassle of tuning the piano every now and then. She tried heaps of piano YUS1, YUS3, YUS5, C1X, CLP 689, NU1X...etc and insist that the touch in an acoustic piano is far superior than a digital piano. I don't know if that's more of a psychological or actual feeling, but given that she hasn't played for 10 years I would weight the psychological factor more.

So in the end, I made the executive decision to get the N1X without even trying on the actual piano. Full payment paid and just waiting for the piano to arrive now.

Would be interested to hear what she says when the piano arrives.


You are brave my friend. Good luck!


Got an ETA that it won't arrive until late Jun. That gives me another 3 months to persuade her. wink



Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Who is the piano meant for? For you, or for her?
Originally Posted by Jason Tsang
Had a big disagreement with wife whether or not to get a digital piano or acoustic piano. She wants an acoustic where as I don't want to deal with the hassle of tuning the piano every now and then.



It's for both of us and also hoping to get my two kids into piano.
I guess I'll be the main player.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by Jason Tsang
So in the end, I made the executive decision to get the N1X without even trying on the actual piano. Full payment paid and just waiting for the piano to arrive now.

Would be interested to hear what she says when the piano arrives.


I love my N1X and I have access to acoustic pianos to play on a fairly regular basis. In some instances I prefer the action and sound of the N1X over some acoustics I've played.

Obviously, I don't know how your wife will feel about it, but these hybrids an absolute amazing experience. I still feel very humbled and grateful that I actually own one. I could literally play it 4 hours a day if I had the time.

Congratulations on the purchase.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by Jason Tsang
It's for both of us and also hoping to get my two kids into piano.
I guess I'll be the main player.

Well, if you are the main player, then I'd agree it's mostly your call. Seems only fair. smile


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Rich of Cunningham Piano did reply to my request of comparing the N3X vs the N1X and Hugh Sung will hopefully play both piano's with the same passage so we can hear the difference's between the two pianos. His reply to my initial request we: "We will do it!"

Hugh Sung is an American classical pianist (Hugh Sung Wiki) that is good friends with Rich.

I am trying to decide between getting the N3X and the N1X. I think that Rich mentioned to me via a phone conversation that his best comparison between the two piano's was: If you are playing to other people and your space affords the larger piano then it is worth getting. Otherwise, if "you" are only going to use the piano and will just be playing for yourself then the N1X would foot the bill nicely.

My wife has had some health issues recently and it will be a little while until I can demo these pianos for myself. frown


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I think that Rich mentioned to me via a phone conversation that his best comparison between the two piano's was: If you are playing to other people and your space affords the larger piano then it is worth getting. Otherwise, if "you" are only going to use the piano and will just be playing for yourself then the N1X would foot the bill nicely.

That seems like a good way of putting it. The actions should be more or less identical; the main differences seem to be in the speaker system.


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Yep, I think:

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Lack of USB audio interface (a shame)
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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Rich did mention that the placement of the speakers, to him, did give him the impression that the sound was nicely balanced around the player. Helping the player to be "enveloped" in the sound like a real AP would. Only sitting in front of one can truly answer that question though.

But, it will be interesting to hear the difference in the bass response of the two units via a microphone recording. I am not sure what mic/mic's they use to record their piano's in their videos. Hopefully, when they record the video on YT they will post what equipment was used for the recording.


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Gombessa: In regards to the lack of a USB audio interface on the N3X:

1. That aids in recording the audio from the N3X resident sounds directly into a DAW,
2. Input audio from a computer for musical playback through the resident speakers.

Is that it? Everything else outside of the piano can be handled by the other connection; analog audio, midi, etc.


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Originally Posted by HwyStar
Gombessa: In regards to the lack of a USB audio interface on the N3X:

1. That aids in recording the audio from the N3X resident sounds directly into a DAW,
2. Input audio from a computer for musical playback through the resident speakers.

Is that it? Everything else outside of the piano can be handled by the other connection; analog audio, midi, etc.


I'm sure there are more, but that's my understanding of the benefits as well. The specific details of these two benefits might include:

a. Potential decrease in latency due to pure digital signal (no ADC step into the DP)
b. Potential decrease in noise due to pure digital signal
c. Potential elimination of ground loop interference
d. Potential simplification of volume controls from aux/line-in volume/gain adjustment
e. Aesthetic/setup benefits from wiring simplification
f. Potential support for additional input/output modes in future updates/products (>2 channel input/output?)


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Excellent reply! Thanks a lot, Gombessa. I wanted to make sure I was not forgetting something. Those are all good reasons to "consider" the N1X over the N3X. Thanks again!


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1. Get your model numbers right. It's not an NU2! Also are you SURE that's an N3 not an N3X?
2. Yes the music rest folds down
3. The "entry level" is the NU1X not the N1
4. The NU1X is NOT the N1X
5. As this was just made why wasn't the N1X included? At first I thought maybe he was mistaken, but indeed the speaker layout and the not curved side pieces show it is an N1.
6. It's a display model, the one you buy doesn't come with the transparent front panel.
7. Just because you can't see the speakers doesn't mean they are there
8. Doesn't appear he understands the difference between the actions between the NU1X and the others
9. "I believe this one has (an actual piano action) but it doesn't feel as good because it's entry level". ORLY?

IMHO there is a minimum amount of research you should do before you review something.

P.S. Is that the correct way to stress the syllables on the word "Avant"? maybe it's a Canadian thing or I just say it wrong?

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Yes, there are a few inaccuracies in this chap's reviews, however he's clearly a big fan of pianos, comes across pretty well on camera, and has a cool name, so I'm prepared to cut him some slack. wink

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Some slack, sure. But not that much.

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He got the names right a few times I think. Just need to study harder.


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1. Get your model numbers right. It's not an NU2! Also are you SURE that's an N3 not an N3X?


Ya.. This also makes me question if he really refers to N1 or N1X as well.

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6. It's a display model, the one you buy doesn't come with the transparent front panel.

In fact, I think it is fascinating to get the model with transparent front panel. Being able to see through will increase my interest to play the piano. and cover it with a blanket when I find the action movements to be too annoying. smile

The N1 introduction is just a joke. serious, you do a review without even find out where the power button is?!

Indeed, hes keep reiterating that the high end model has less variations in sound. This makes me rethink "Do I really want those sounds on these pianos?" From the UI design, a very sleek, clean piano with no fancy touch screen/button design. A key action equivalent to the Yamaha Grand piano, as well as the CFX/bosendorfer sound. With all the features from a high end grand piano, having extra sound variations makes these AvantGrant neither fish nor fowl.

Overall, I would just disregard his reviews.

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For what it's worth, you are in good company. His Novus NV10 review was equally "well" researched and full of these small inaccuracies. For example, iirc, during the whole NV10 video he was using the older sound mode (that has been available for years in the CA67/97, ES8, etc.). He was even demonstrating the resonance modelling and showing it off as if it were something new, when in fact that was the "old" sound engine and he didn't even switch to pianist mode with its new and improved resonances. And I think he never talked about the damper weight mechanism - the one feature that currently sets the NV10 apart from all other DPs and hybrids. crazy

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Wow. You guys smile

If this was a proper review, I would probably feel the same. But from seeing his videos, it seems he travels all over, presenting on several pianos/organs/harpsichords/celestas/etc. a week.

They don't seem like "reviews" and more like "first impressions," without the benefit of being able to put together a script or prior research it time on the keys. Taking it for what it is, I find myself focused on the experience of being exposed to all of these different instruments I may never see in person in my own lifetime, along with his house clear enthusiasm for the piano. I've seen more obscure grands, glockenspiels, and organs from his channel than anywhere else, and imo it's kind of cool.

It's doesn't bother me a bit that he doesn't know what is under the hood of a hybrid digital.


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I think he is more acoustic guy and not knowing much about DP.
I like some of this others "review"





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