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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Juke] #2805732
01/24/19 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Juke
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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I have had some extra time in my hands, so I decided to make me a tool to make random piano scores to practice sight reading. Initial idea was to make sheets from random triads to practice pattern recognition. Then it came to my mind that someone else also might need that kind of tool. So I made it available into Internet.
While I think it's kind of you to make this available, I think it's more likely people will want to practice sight reading if they read works by great composers as opposed to random music or chords. Most of the best sight readers never 'practiced" sight reading. They just read through tons of scores by the greatest composers because it was so interesting and pleasurable.

That's is true, but not everyone is in level where they can just pick a score and start playing. This can help familiarize oneself with staffs and learn to recognize more common patterns. Of course that kind of practice doesn't sound good and isn't fun, but everything can't be fun smile


There is "real" music for pianists at every level. I would think that even beginning pianists would find more satisfaction in playing a tune, accompanied or not, that is real music, than plunking out randomly generated notes that have no structure, are not part of a melodic line and don't lead anywhere. Playing a randomly generated series of notes, gives no sense of melody so that the student has no idea whether the note(s) played is (are) right or wrong. Playing a simple melody or a more complex accompanied one immediately instills a sense and a recognition of phrases within an overall context into which the individual notes "belong."

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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Tech-key] #2805745
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Come to think of it, if the score is random, the key signature could also just be random....

Originally Posted by Tech-key
Randomising key signatures by default can be a little daunting for newish students. But an option to randomise can be added in the “Key Signature” drop-down.

Good idea! In key signature selection there is now option to select random key signature


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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: BruceD] #2805862
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Originally Posted by BruceD
There is "real" music for pianists at every level. I would think that even beginning pianists would find more satisfaction in playing a tune, accompanied or not, that is real music, than plunking out randomly generated notes that have no structure, are not part of a melodic line and don't lead anywhere.


So what you need for that is a large reservoir of obscure but not too difficult music. Here, for free, are 29,000+ pieces of American popular music, mostly from the 19th and early 20th century (1922 and older is public domain in the USA):

https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/2085

Who knows, you may unearth some hidden gems.... ;-)





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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: JohnSprung] #2805960
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Originally Posted by BruceD
There is "real" music for pianists at every level. I would think that even beginning pianists would find more satisfaction in playing a tune, accompanied or not, that is real music, than plunking out randomly generated notes that have no structure, are not part of a melodic line and don't lead anywhere.


So what you need for that is a large reservoir of obscure but not too difficult music. Here, for free, are 29,000+ pieces of American popular music, mostly from the 19th and early 20th century (1922 and older is public domain in the USA):

https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/2085

Who knows, you may unearth some hidden gems.... ;-)



I clicked on over a dozen of the links on that site: "Page could not be found" or "... page took too long to respond." = no results

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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Tech-key] #2806344
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No visible updates to Randomizer. I changed one library to smaller one. Page should load faster now.

I'm currently trying to implement support for different note durations. I have few more kinks to solve before that works.

Originally Posted by Tech-key

Maybe you can add levels like easy, medium, hard, etc. I see that these levels can still be simulated to some extent, by playing around with the UI options. But it would be nice, if some combinations were bundled together into levels. It will make it accessible to a big bunch of people right away.

Difficulty levels are good idea, and for "real" music sheets I'm planning to implement difficulty levels. For these totally random sheets, I don't know what settings could be considered easy or hard.

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Originally Posted by Juke
Possibility make "real" music. Things like music that has harmonies in left hand and melody in right hand and it makes at least some musical sense. Or counterpoint, e.g.

This future feature sounds promising. So are the two clefs completely independent of each other currently? Or you have already linked them together to some extent?


I need to take both clefs into account if I'm going to make random sheets that are musical, but for now two clefs are totally independent.


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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: JohnSprung] #2806389
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Originally Posted by JohnSprung


So what you need for that is a large reservoir of obscure but not too difficult music. Here, for free, are 29,000+ pieces of American popular music, mostly from the 19th and early 20th century (1922 and older is public domain in the USA):

https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/2085

Who knows, you may unearth some hidden gems.... ;-)



Cool resource!


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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Juke] #2838300
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Greetings again. It's been a while since last update smile

There is now improved version available at http://cmajor.fi

Now you can make harmonized melody for practicing. It is still bit rough around edges and might provide "interesting" harmonies grin

Also tool should now have better support for older browsers


Music randomizer:
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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Juke] #2838583
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Oh, that's interesting! I might be able to generate random things for sight reading and sight singing purpose!

Next step would be to add more rhythms. smile

Thanks for the tool.


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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: CadenzaVvi] #2838593
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Originally Posted by CadenzaVvi
Oh, that's interesting! I might be able to generate random things for sight reading and sight singing purpose!

Next step would be to add more rhythms. smile

Thanks for the tool.

Glad if you like it! smile

Yes, adding more rhythms would probably be next sensible step. It requires a bit more work for inner workings of program before that can be implemented.


Music randomizer:
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Re: Tool for making sheets of random music [Re: Juke] #2839332
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I agree that this could be great for sight reading.


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