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Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line #2837791
04/10/19 06:03 PM
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With my upright piano there is a hinged surface on the fall board to hold the music . My horizontal eye line is 8 inches above the middle of the page .
So where should the page actually be for a healthy posture and no eye strain . ( One of the computer magazines said to keep a computer screen top , level with the eyes . That may be wrong though .) So that is my question . Level with the top ,or level with the page centre ? I can always screw the support onto the outer surface to get the right height .

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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Jt2nd] #2837803
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I suggest you use a tripod to take a selfie (or have somebody do it) of you seated at the piano reading/playing some music.

You need to find the Goldilocks spot.

If your head is tilted back/up, the music is too high.
If your head is tilted forward/down, the music is too low.
If you head is NOT tilted, well... you know the end of this little ditty.

Let us know how things turn out for you.


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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Seeker] #2837883
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Originally Posted by Seeker
[...You need to find the Goldilocks spot.

[...]


Since the height of music desks is not adjustable, you just may not be Goldilocks. If you have an adjustable bench, however, then voilà! Goldilocks is in the building!

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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: BruceD] #2837886
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Seeker
[...You need to find the Goldilocks spot.

[...]


Since the height of music desks is not adjustable, you just may not be Goldilocks. If you have an adjustable bench, however, then voilà! Goldilocks is in the building!

Regards,

Except if you adjust your bench for the reading eye level, it could be wrong for your arm-level relative to the keytops. Better, I think to use bench adjustments to get arm level correct and then find some way to adjust height of the music, including making one's own adjustable music-rest-on-a-music-rest.


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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Jt2nd] #2837904
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Here is an image provided by the German Accidents Prevention and Insurance Association (Berufsgenossenschaften) for the correct arrangement of a computer work station. The same principles should apply in your case.

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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Jt2nd] #2837945
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Tens of millions of pianists play on verticals and use whatever level the music falls at on the piano's music desk. So I don't think this is a major problem even if the height of the music is not idea.

Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Jt2nd] #2838043
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Agreed. It's more of a problem with grands.

Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: chopin_r_us] #2838051
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Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Agreed. It's more of a problem with grands.
But millions of people play on grands and use whatever level the music falls at on the music desk without much complaint. So I also don't think it's much of a problem for grands unless maybe if one is very short or very tall.

Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: pianoloverus] #2838106
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
Agreed. It's more of a problem with grands.
But millions of people play on grands and use whatever level the music falls at on the music desk without much complaint. So I also don't think it's much of a problem for grands unless maybe if one is very short or very tall.


+1. Common sense imo.


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Re: Correct height of music page relative to horizontal eye line [Re: Jt2nd] #2838164
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Some old uprights have folding music desks that can be used, instead of the hinged ledge on the fallboard, in order to make the music higher. Seems like these could easily be made by a woodworker (it clamps to the front board of the piano right under the lid at the top).

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