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Piano in a room without sound isolation? #2836826
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Soon I will be buying an upright piano. I would like to know is there any way I can isolate the sound for other rooms. Can I put something under the piano or inside it?

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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2836844
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I think that you need to specify what the situation is and where the piano will be located in the room in question. Home or apartment, the size of the room, how much isolation you want or need, what type of sound insulation already exists between the walls (if any). There are ways of reducing the transfer of sound from simply putting a blanket between the piano and the wall, adding carpeting to hardwood or tile floors, to fully professional sound-proofing at extensive expense.

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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2836864
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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2836870
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An accoustic board behind the piano between the wall and the back of the piano will reduce the volume but sound becomes sort of "mushy". My upright piano has the volume of a grand especially in big pieces. So I tried this ,I did not like the result because I bought the piano partly because of the tone.
I put the board behind a bookcase,and a smaller portion covering a corner.Removed the board from behind the piano.
I am in the process of getting a carpet for the room so I am sure this will help and then perhaps I can get rid of these boards altogether.
I just worry a little about neighbors although I live in a house.

Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2836943
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Originally Posted by Mich90918
... is there any way I can isolate the sound for other rooms.


Bottom line, no. You'll get a lot of suggestions, they'll help a little bit. But the piano will be heard throughout the house no matter what.


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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2837170
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Is the floor carpeted? If not, a plush carpet mat under and protruding out from the piano will help a lot 6'x6' or 8'x8'.

Some pianos are louder than others - bear that in mind when you buy. Others aren't well regulated and are difficult to play pp or ppp - others achieve that well.

Which wall you place it against will make a difference - if you have the choice to back onto say, a baby's bedroom - or a garage or laundry - it'll make a difference as to who gets annoyed as it will transmit more through the immediate wall, Cars and washing machines don't tend to care.


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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Mich90918] #2837179
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I agree with the others - it's going to be loud no matter what. However, lots of things are loud. Lawn mowers, stereos, kids playing outside, dogs barking, etc. A piano played for a bit each day shouldn't really bother the neighbors if you live in a house. Get a rug for under the piano, a tapestry for behind it (or put a blanket there) and try to have a chair with some pillows or something like that to help absorb some sound. I would NOT recommend putting anything inside the piano.

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Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Originally Posted by Mich90918
... is there any way I can isolate the sound for other rooms.


Bottom line, no. You'll get a lot of suggestions, they'll help a little bit. But the piano will be heard throughout the house no matter what.

Recording studios can achieve high levels of sound isolation, but it's expensive and difficult. Think isolation and mass. If you could build another wall inside your existing wall with 2 or 3 layers of sheetrock on the inside that was isolated from the existing structure you'd be heading in the right direction. Then you'd also need to float the floor and do something about the ceiling. Then you'd have to install a heavy solid door (mass) that sealed around all edges. Make it all airtight and the problem is solved! Would you do all of that to keep the neighbors from hearing a bit of piano practice? I didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by Steve Chandler
Originally Posted by JohnSprung
Originally Posted by Mich90918
... is there any way I can isolate the sound for other rooms.


Bottom line, no. You'll get a lot of suggestions, they'll help a little bit. But the piano will be heard throughout the house no matter what.

Recording studios can achieve high levels of sound isolation, but it's expensive and difficult. Think isolation and mass. If you could build another wall inside your existing wall with 2 or 3 layers of sheetrock on the inside that was isolated from the existing structure you'd be heading in the right direction. Then you'd also need to float the floor and do something about the ceiling. Then you'd have to install a heavy solid door (mass) that sealed around all edges. Make it all airtight and the problem is solved! Would you do all of that to keep the neighbors from hearing a bit of piano practice? I didn't think so.


Back in the 1980's I knew of a professional drummer who did that box inside a box construction using a detached garage in the valley. It worked, but for what it would cost today you could buy a dozen digitals with headphones.


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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: Steve Chandler] #2837270
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Adding to what Steve Chandler wrote, there are these things from Wenger

http://performance.wengercorp.com/p...ok-sound-isolating-rooms/#fndtn-overview

Not inexpensive, but very effective. A flute teacher who lives nearby to our house in a townhouse has one. He's able to teach, practice, etc, without bothering the neighbors.


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Re: Piano in a room without sound isolation? [Re: pianowillbebach] #2837416
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Originally Posted by pianowillbebach
I agree with the others - it's going to be loud no matter what. However, lots of things are loud. Lawn mowers, stereos, kids playing outside, dogs barking, etc. A piano played for a bit each day shouldn't really bother the neighbors if you live in a house. Get a rug for under the piano, a tapestry for behind it (or put a blanket there) and try to have a chair with some pillows or something like that to help absorb some sound. I would NOT recommend putting anything inside the piano.

I don't think the concern is for neighbours, but for other rooms in the house.

Yes, I agree with the rug, tapestry - anything to absorb the sound. Soft furnishings can make a lot of difference.

I have seen a piano with some foam (think it was a couple of old pillows) in the bottom - away from the strings. But that was because it was a quite old piano, hard old hammers, and it did that to take the edge off the honky-tonk effect. It actually worked quite well. It might work to just soften a good upright piano.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).

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