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Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase #2828033
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Hello all!

I apologize ahead of time if this is against forum rules, I could really some some general advice however.

I have been searching new/used pianos extensively for the past two months to purchase my first acoustic. I finally found one that I'm highly considering purchasing soon. It is a early Kawai UST-7, made in 1988 (the ust-7s where the pedal case is painted gold instead of just the pedals).

I would prefer a later model UST 7 but the seller purchased it less than a year ago from a very well known piano restoration company in the area for their son who decided to live with his father. I contacted the restoration company who said the piano was in great condition when they bought it and only ended up cleaning, lubricating the pins, and tuning. Everything was in fantastic condition when I went to inspect the piano with my instructor. The hammers had next to no wear, the pins and pinblock were glistening, no cracks in soundboard, action was amazing, and it was in great tune. The aesthetics are decent as the satin black paint job has worn a tad and the KAWAI logo sticker has slightly faded but nothing major or that I'm personally concerned with.

I was able to work the seller down to $1,500 and feel this is a fair price for the piano but I know you can find newer UST-7s and 8s for better prices if you're lucky. I really love Kawai model Us and feel it would be perfect for me but am wondering if I should maybe hold back and wait for a better deal.

Would you wait for another deal or is this adequate pricing/a good deal? I can send pictures/videos if you'd like.

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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2828037
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I owned a Kawai UST6 for a while and really enjoyed it. The action felt very nice and the tone was nice. I paid a little less than the price you mentioned, but it was an older model. But Kawai pianos are well built and hold up well under hard playing conditions.

The price you mentioned is likely more of an average retail price a used piano store might sell such a piano for, but that doesn't mean the price is too much; they need to make a profit. The thing about waiting for a better deal is that you don't get to enjoy the piano while you are waiting on a better deal. We can only live one day at a time and tomorrow never comes. If you really like the UST7 the price is not too high.

Chances are, you might be able to negotiate just a tad more if the dealer is motivated to sell.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide to do.

Rick


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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Rickster] #2828040
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That's what I've been battling with! My digital piano has really started to halt my learning progress and I really want a solid piano to learn on for the next few years until I purchase a home.

One thing happened last week that kind of changed things however. I spotted a pristine late model UST-8 on Craiglist within 25 minutes of posting priced at $500. It was the best deal I've ever seen. The seller was the original owner and the piano's condition was incredible. I spoke to the seller immediately and said I'd be calling the next day to plan a time to see the piano. The next day the seller sent me a text at 11 am that someone from Austin drove up and purchased the piano. I was a bit upset as it was a really amazing piano.

If the UTS-7 was from a dealer I'd purchase it immediately given warranty, tuning, etc but given it's a private seller who doesn't play I just wish I could get it for $1,100 or so. I'm tired of waiting for good condition U models to pop up smirk

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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2828043
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Originally Posted by Living_tribunal
One thing happened last week that kind of changed things however. I spotted a pristine late model UST-8 on Craiglist within 25 minutes of posting priced at $500. It was the best deal I've ever seen. The seller was the original owner and the piano's condition was incredible. I spoke to the seller immediately and said I'd be calling the next day to plan a time to see the piano. The next day the seller sent me a text at 11 am that someone from Austin drove up and purchased the piano. I was a bit upset as it was a really amazing piano.
One thing I've learned during all my piano adventures is that when a really good deal, like you mentioned, comes along, you have to act quickly or someone else will. I've lost out on a few good deals myself because someone else beat me to it. Quite often, it is used piano dealers who swoop down like an eagle, hunting for prey, and grab these bargain pianos before anyone else can get to it.

But deals like the $500 UST8 you mentioned don't come along often. Usually, it is someone who wants to get rid of their piano quickly and doesn't really care about price or value. They just want it gone ASAP.

If you really want the screaming good deals, be prepared to act quickly when they come along. Going to look at it tomorrow is too late... smile

All the best,

Rick


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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Rickster] #2828046
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Thanks Rick, have a good evening.

-Rich (great name ain't it?)

Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2829746
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I think I may purchase it. I've been waiting a long time and could really use it. There is a late model ust-8 for sale in Missouri that's $650. I'm really debating whether to drive up tomorrow and check it out.

Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Rickster] #2837016
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I took your advice and just purchased another later model ust 7 from a well known dealer. It was a fair price but I will finally have an acoustic piano and won't be driving myself nuts trying to get dynamics sounding right on my digital smile

Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2837022
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Originally Posted by Living_tribunal
I took your advice and just purchased another later model ust 7 from a well known dealer. It was a fair price but I will finally have an acoustic piano and won't be driving myself nuts trying to get dynamics sounding right on my digital smile


Congratulations on your new Kawai UST 7 piano! I wish you many years of enjoyment with it! Post pictures when you can!

Happy piano playing!

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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2837139
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Congratulations and enjoy your piano!


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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2837151
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So based on this thread (and my search for a "retirement piano" for next year, I looked up what this was and found that even the UST 9 is reasonably priced. Then I investigated what an "institutional piano" was. It appears that it's made for schools and other places where a piano has to be stronger, beefier and more durable at the expense of beauty.

Is there some downside to purchasing one of these other than the fact that they aren't very pretty in the overall design?

Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2837154
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I bought a new UST9 a year ago. It's a fantastic piano with an incredible action. I had a UST8 20 years ago, another excellent piano. No downside, IMO.


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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2837157
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Congratulations on your new piano!


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Not really. The UST series, while not the most aesthetically pleasing, are very well made pianos. They are not some parlor queen piano that's for sure! I work in startups and most constantly which is one of the main reasons I'm attracted to them. They could survive a bomb and continue to play well.

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I'm very excited! I've been waiting to find the right one for a few months now. I couldn't be more thrilled and see this as the perfect instrument to last me the next 5-10 years as I continue to learn. The series are just made so well regarding their mechanism, action, and sound. It's nice to hear you have had a great experience yourself.

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Will do! I go to pick it up in two weeks. It's out of town so I will be renting a uhaul truck to go get it.

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Alright, here she is. I couldn't be any happier, this is exactly what I wanted. It's a whole new world practicing on an acoustic piano! [img]https://imgur.com/a/jVyUZL7[/img]

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Originally Posted by Living_tribunal
Alright, here she is. I couldn't be any happier, this is exactly what I wanted. It's a whole new world practicing on an acoustic piano! [img]https://imgur.com/a/jVyUZL7[/img]


A fine looking piano! Enjoy your new adventure.


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Yep, it's a beauty alright! Enjoy!!!

Thought I'd help you out and post the photo in this post... Not sure why it didn't post in your post. smile

All the best!

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Re: Could use some help on Kawai UST-7 used purchase [Re: Living_tribunal] #2840755
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Enjoy your new piano. I had a similar, though much older, piano as a teenager - it's still going fine, at my brother's home.

You might find it more comfortable with a padded bench, though - a basic adjustable bench isn't very expensive these days.

Or, a cut-up YOGA mat under a cloth cover is cheaper still (done that before!!!).


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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I have a padded bench I do really enjoy. However, given how USTs wheels were designed to be fully functional, the keys sit a little higher than most because of the wheel height. The ust bench accounts for this. It's a little getting used to though.

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