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Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: outo] #2836461
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Originally Posted by outo
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Outo
I am sorry for using the name Outdo instead of your real name which is Outo ! If I make a mistake please correct me !

I really didn't mind! Things like that do not bother me...besides Outdo sounds cool, I could definitely use it for a nick...

I have a rule on this forum: I will not write to anyone something that I could not say to their face in real life...unfortunately I can be quite outspoken in real life too smile

Thank you , I guess I can understand how I made that mistake.Outdo, has perhaps more meaning to me in English . (also easy to remember )Strangely enough I also thought it
quite cool ! But so is Outo !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Outo
I am sorry for using the name Outdo instead of your real name which is Outo ! If I make a mistake please correct me !

I really didn't mind! Things like that do not bother me...besides Outdo sounds cool, I could definitely use it for a nick...

I have a rule on this forum: I will not write to anyone something that I could not say to their face in real life...unfortunately I can be quite outspoken in real life too smile

Thank you , I guess I can understand how I made that mistake.Outdo, has perhaps more meaning to me in English . (also easy to remember )Strangely enough I also thought it
quite cool ! But so is Outo !

Which is a real word in Finnish, but also what some of my friends fondly use as a nickname for me wink

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Larry, here is the link for the silent version. I thought that is what you meant. Maybe there are other types I am not familiar with. I want you to know that the part where you put your music on, actually pulls forward, underneath is mesh and sound comes from the back and the front of the piano.

https://metroplexpiano.com/product/yamaha-silent-piano-yus5-sh/


I believe the TransAcoustic model includes the silent option but has other features, as provided by a transducer which is coupled to the soundboard.

Here is a link:

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/mus...sacoustic/ta2/features.html#product-tabs


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Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: LarryK] #2836481
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[quote=patH]Thank you for this review of the YUS5 TA2! It is a really neat idea. I think it is for those people who, when asked digital or analog, reply, both!

Does the Blüthner e-volution system include a transducer mounted on the soundboard to use the sound board as a speaker, like on the TransAcoustics? I didn’t see that mentioned on their website but I might have missed it.

I don’t want to give up the silent practice capabilities of digital but I would like the richer, room filling sound of an acoustic piano. I wouldn’t want to inflict my neighbors with incessant practicing on an acoustic but I would like to play “finished” pieces on an acoustic. I think it’s cool to be able to practice a piece silently for a month, and then unveil it to one’s partner. It would be like magic!

Having the same capabilities in one instrument would be worth a lot to me. I know the price is high but the capabilities are also high, so I’m interested in pursuing it in the future.

I don't think the Blüthner e-volution uses the soundboard as a loudspeaker. From what I read on their website, they seem to use loudspeakers by Bose, which are usually good quality.
I only tried the e-volution briefly 3 years ago; and I don't think I tried the loudspeakers. But then, I already have a grand piano with silent system, so I'm not a potential customer.

The difference between an "ordinary" silent system like the Yamaha SH, the Kawai AnyTime, the Bechstein Vario, the PianoDisc QT, and all other systems in existence, and a piano-loudspeaking digital system like the TransAcoustic/e-volution system is that you can hear the digital sound only through a headphone plug. Which usually means: Through a headphone.
A workaround would be: Connect the digital system to your HiFi chain, and play the piano via the loudspeakers of your HiFi chain. The disadvantage is that the sound does not come from the piano. Unless the loudspeakers are positioned next to the piano, which they aren't in my apartment.
But if you really want the digital piano sound to come from the piano, you might want the TransAcoustic system by Yamaha, or the e-volution by Blüthner. Or some other system I don't know about.

The question is: Is it worth it?
Since the TransAcoustic system has been on the market for a few years now, I guess this means that some people think so. Why would Yamaha have a product available if they didn't sell it?


My grand piano is a Yamaha C2 SG.
Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: outo] #2836492
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
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Outo
I am sorry for using the name Outdo instead of your real name which is Outo ! If I make a mistake please correct me !

I really didn't mind! Things like that do not bother me...besides Outdo sounds cool, I could definitely use it for a nick...

I have a rule on this forum: I will not write to anyone something that I could not say to their face in real life...unfortunately I can be quite outspoken in real life too smile

Thank you , I guess I can understand how I made that mistake.Outdo, has perhaps more meaning to me in English . (also easy to remember )Strangely enough I also thought it
quite cool ! But so is Outo !

Which is a real word in Finnish, but also what some of my friends fondly use as a nickname for me wink

What does the word mean in Finnish .,I mean if one translates the word to English ?

Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: outo] #2836494
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Outo
I am sorry for using the name Outdo instead of your real name which is Outo ! If I make a mistake please correct me !

I really didn't mind! Things like that do not bother me...besides Outdo sounds cool, I could definitely use it for a nick...

I have a rule on this forum: I will not write to anyone something that I could not say to their face in real life...unfortunately I can be quite outspoken in real life too smile

Thank you , I guess I can understand how I made that mistake.Outdo, has perhaps more meaning to me in English . (also easy to remember )Strangely enough I also thought it
quite cool ! But so is Outo !

Which is a real word in Finnish, but also what some of my friends fondly use as a nickname for me wink


That interested me so I had to look up the Finnish word "outo". Good nickname!


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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
That interested me so I had to look up the Finnish word "outo". Good nickname!

This has nothing to do with this thread, but since it has drifted a bit OT anyway, I figured I'd share my childhood nickname. My mom said when I was a toddler I get my dad's wrist watch and hold it up to my ear and say "tick-tick, tick-tick, tick-tick". So, they started calling me "tick-tick; had an uncle that called me "Ricky-ticky-tam". Mom also said I tried to take it (the wrist watch) apart to see how it worked. She said I would also take all my toys apart to see how they worked.

So, I suppose it is no surprise I've taken a few pianos apart to see how they worked... smile

Now back to our regularly scheduled program thread...

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That interested me so I had to look up the Finnish word "outo". Good nickname!

This has nothing to do with this thread, but since it has drifted a bit OT anyway, I figured I'd share my childhood nickname. My mom said when I was a toddler I get my dad's wrist watch and hold it up to my ear and say "tick-tick, tick-tick, tick-tick". So, they started calling me "tick-tick; had an uncle that called me "Ricky-ticky-tam". Mom also said I tried to take it (the wrist watch) apart to see how it worked. She said I would also take all my toys apart to see how they worked.

So, I suppose it is no surprise I've taken a few pianos apart to see how they worked... smile

Now back to our regularly scheduled program thread...

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Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: Jitin] #2836601
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by outo

Which is a real word in Finnish, but also what some of my friends fondly use as a nickname for me wink

What does the word mean in Finnish .,I mean if one translates the word to English ?


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Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: Jitin] #2836603
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Fey -Is one translation .,My aunt called me fey when I was a kid
(What I think that means is that one is unusua)l "kind of like you came from the fairies" ?
Anyway my aunt was very sweet, but eccentric so perhaps it runs in
the family. She gave me her pre-war Seiler piano, so when I was nearly 12 , I received my first piano !

Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: Rickster] #2836620
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Originally Posted by Rickster
...Mom also said I tried to take it (the wrist watch) apart to see how it worked. She said I would also take all my toys apart to see how they worked.

So, I suppose it is no surprise I've taken a few pianos apart to see how they worked... smile

Now back to our regularly scheduled program thread...

Rick

So I wasn't the only one blush.

My mother, now 89yo, reminds me of my pulling the kitchen clock apart. It was always 5-7 mins fast, and I'd adjusted the adjuster, fixed the time by the radio time beeps every morning, but next day it would be 5-7 mins fast. I just couldn't understand it.

I was about 7 or 8, always inquisitive, so pulled it apart. When the spring sprunged - I was no longer able to put it back together.

THEN - the truth came out. Mum would advance it every night when she wound it to be 5-7 mins fast - so she wouldn't be late ...

Alan


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Originally Posted by Rickster
...Mom also said I tried to take it (the wrist watch) apart to see how it worked. She said I would also take all my toys apart to see how they worked.

So, I suppose it is no surprise I've taken a few pianos apart to see how they worked... smile

Now back to our regularly scheduled program thread...

Rick

So I wasn't the only one blush.

My mother, now 89yo, reminds me of my pulling the kitchen clock apart. It was always 5-7 mins fast, and I'd adjusted the adjuster, fixed the time by the radio time beeps every morning, but next day it would be 5-7 mins fast. I just couldn't understand it.

I was about 7 or 8, always inquisitive, so pulled it apart. When the spring sprunged - I was no longer able to put it back together.

THEN - the truth came out. Mum would advance it every night when she wound it to be 5-7 mins fast - so she wouldn't be late ...

Alan

These memories, they are what make us ,as people.They are precious !!!

Re: Why do people not favor uprights?? [Re: Jitin] #2836637
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I bought an aftermarket slow close for the fallboard of my upright when I was in China. Got it from the Shanghai music expo. I actually bought 3, one for me and one for each of my two teachers. (2 women, so I treted them exactly alike).

The strange thing is that there was no phone number, brand name or website on the packaging. So I was unable to get any more! There is a thread somewhere on the subject.


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I have to wonder how many pianists claiming an upright is better than any digital (including hybrid digitals like the NV10 and Avantgrand) are actually advanced pianists with sufficient technique to be able to make that judgement? I don't bring this point up as some sort of repertoire competition, but rather that in my experience the limitations of certain instruments could only be found once my capability exceeded them. For example, when I was learning the third movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd concerto, the beginning theme was just fine on a Kawai CA51 before I had practiced it enough to get up to the performance tempo I was shooting for. I hummed along thinking "this is great, my CA51 is good enough for any rep!" Actually, I had it wrong - I just wasn't as good as my CA51 was yet.

But months later once I had it up to performance tempo? The CA51 was tapped out - the theme was extremely difficult to play on an upright or entry level digital, where on a hybrid digital or acoustic grand it basically plays itself. Another area like this to me which is extremely piano dependent is the finale of the 2nd movement of Brahm's 2nd concerto (the descending waterfall-like figures). I need some key weight there and the crisp feel of a grand to play it up to tempo and quickly.

For 99% of cases, I can technically play most music on a basic grand, an upright, a digital hybrid, or an acoustic grand. It's not as if having one vs. another will prevent you from learning basically any repertoire out there. But if we are talking about moving beyond simply being able to technically play something, I can't play something quite as well on an upright as I can on a good acoustic grand or digital hybrid.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand if someone prefers an upright to a digital hybrid simply because it's an acoustic, but that's very different than saying an upright actually plays better than one.

I'll go the other way - there is no acoustic upright in the world that has a better action than a Novus Nv10 or Yamaha Avantgrand, because those instruments have real grand piano actions. Disagree with me? Great! But to be taken seriously, I hope you've both spent extensive time with a NV10 or Avantgrand, and have the technique to be credible.

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I bought an aftermarket slow close for the fallboard of my upright when I was in China. Got it from the Shanghai music expo. I actually bought 3, one for me and one for each of my two teachers. (2 women, so I treted them exactly alike).

The strange thing is that there was no phone number, brand name or website on the packaging. So I was unable to get any more! There is a thread somewhere on the subject.

Was it just a mechanism that one fitted on the fallboard or was it a whole new fallboard. I am just thinking in case the name of the piano
was Bechstein, you would end up with a no name piano ?

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Originally Posted by computerpro3
I have to wonder how many pianists claiming an upright is better than any digital (including hybrid digitals like the NV10 and Avantgrand) are actually advanced pianists with sufficient technique to be able to make that judgement? I don't bring this point up as some sort of repertoire competition, but rather that in my experience the limitations of certain instruments could only be found once my capability exceeded them. For example, when I was learning the third movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd concerto, the beginning theme was just fine on a Kawai CA51 before I had practiced it enough to get up to the performance tempo I was shooting for. I hummed along thinking "this is great, my CA51 is good enough for any rep!" Actually, I had it wrong - I just wasn't as good as my CA51 was yet.

But months later once I had it up to performance tempo? The CA51 was tapped out - the theme was extremely difficult to play on an upright or entry level digital, where on a hybrid digital or acoustic grand it basically plays itself. Another area like this to me which is extremely piano dependent is the finale of the 2nd movement of Brahm's 2nd concerto (the descending waterfall-like figures). I need some key weight there and the crisp feel of a grand to play it up to tempo and quickly.

For 99% of cases, I can technically play most music on a basic grand, an upright, a digital hybrid, or an acoustic grand. It's not as if having one vs. another will prevent you from learning basically any repertoire out there. But if we are talking about moving beyond simply being able to technically play something, I can't play something quite as well on an upright as I can on a good acoustic grand or digital hybrid.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand if someone prefers an upright to a digital hybrid simply because it's an acoustic, but that's very different than saying an upright actually plays better than one.

I'll go the other way - there is no acoustic upright in the world that has a better action than a Novus Nv10 or Yamaha Avantgrand, because those instruments have real grand piano actions. Disagree with me? Great! But to be taken seriously, I hope you've both spent extensive time with a NV10 or Avantgrand, and have the technique to be credible.


I doubt that most people comparing uprights with digitals really care that much about the action. I also think that the comparison of the average upright with top-of-the-line digitals is not a fair comparison. There are upright actions that play as well or better than the best grand action, but they are far rarer than digitals with hybrid actions.


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Originally Posted by computerpro3
I have to wonder how many pianists claiming an upright is better than any digital (including hybrid digitals like the NV10 and Avantgrand) are actually advanced pianists with sufficient technique to be able to make that judgement? I don't bring this point up as some sort of repertoire competition, but rather that in my experience the limitations of certain instruments could only be found once my capability exceeded them. For example, when I was learning the third movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd concerto, the beginning theme was just fine on a Kawai CA51 before I had practiced it enough to get up to the performance tempo I was shooting for. I hummed along thinking "this is great, my CA51 is good enough for any rep!" Actually, I had it wrong - I just wasn't as good as my CA51 was yet.

But months later once I had it up to performance tempo? The CA51 was tapped out - the theme was extremely difficult to play on an upright or entry level digital, where on a hybrid digital or acoustic grand it basically plays itself. Another area like this to me which is extremely piano dependent is the finale of the 2nd movement of Brahm's 2nd concerto (the descending waterfall-like figures). I need some key weight there and the crisp feel of a grand to play it up to tempo and quickly.

For 99% of cases, I can technically play most music on a basic grand, an upright, a digital hybrid, or an acoustic grand. It's not as if having one vs. another will prevent you from learning basically any repertoire out there. But if we are talking about moving beyond simply being able to technically play something, I can't play something quite as well on an upright as I can on a good acoustic grand or digital hybrid.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand if someone prefers an upright to a digital hybrid simply because it's an acoustic, but that's very different than saying an upright actually plays better than one.

I'll go the other way - there is no acoustic upright in the world that has a better action than a Novus Nv10 or Yamaha Avantgrand, because those instruments have real grand piano actions. Disagree with me? Great! But to be taken seriously, I hope you've both spent extensive time with a NV10 or Avantgrand, and have the technique to be credible.

Great that you learnt those concertos ! How did the 1st and last movements go? Enjoy your piano !

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Computerpro3, I wish I could say my YUS 5 can't keep up with me. I wish I was that good. I bet most people who play do not fall into your category. I am too much a novice to worry about action, and truthfully probably never get to that point. I just wanted a nice acoustic. I admire people who play well, I realize how much work went into it.


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Originally Posted by DFSRN
Computerpro3, I wish I could say my YUS 5 can't keep up with me. I wish I was that good. I bet most people who play do not fall into your category. I am too much a novice to worry about action, and truthfully probably never get to that point. I just wanted a nice acoustic. I admire people who play well, I realize how much work went into it.

Same here...

On occasion someone will complement me on my piano playing. But I know they are most likely just being polite, or they haven't heard anyone who plays very well. But I still enjoy my playing and try to improve and develop my meager piano playing skills beyond what they are. Of course, my grandchildren think I can actually play a piano and it makes them smile, which makes me smile. smile

I still think I can play well enough to appreciate a nice piano, be it a digital, upright or grand. I played my Yamaha C7 and my Baldwin R a while this afternoon and enjoyed it much. For a while, I was in a world of my own where I could actually play a piano, until reality set in once again... smile

And, as you say, DFSRN, I do admire and appreciate those who can play very well.

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Computerpro3, I wish I could say my YUS 5 can't keep up with me. I wish I was that good. I bet most people who play do not fall into your category. I am too much a novice to worry about action, and truthfully probably never get to that point. I just wanted a nice acoustic. I admire people who play well, I realize how much work went into it.

Same here...

On occasion someone will complement me on my piano playing. But I know they are most likely just being polite, or they haven't heard anyone who plays very well. But I still enjoy my playing and try to improve and develop my meager piano playing skills beyond what they are. Of course, my grandchildren think I can actually play a piano and it makes them smile, which makes me smile. smile

I still think I can play well enough to appreciate a nice piano, be it a digital, upright or grand. I played my Yamaha C7 and my Baldwin R a while this afternoon and enjoyed it much. For a while, I was in a world of my own where I could actually play a piano, until reality set in once again... smile

And, as you say, DFSRN, I do admire and appreciate those who can play very well.

Rick

Yes but I only praise people after I have heard them play !

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