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Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: pianocoach521] #2835761
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I was intrigued by the fact it had a name. Just like mixolydian.

I will probably never use the name. Hee, hee.

I was mildly surprised that none of the harmonies or chord progressions sounded alien. It had a very western feel. There were melodies that sounded very Chinese, but not all of them did.

The only time I heard that pentatonic was when someone was singing overtones against his own voice drone. In retrospect I think the tuning of those notes may have been a good bit off from ET. I may check a recording with a tuner or Audacity later.

Their stringed instruments appeared to be two string non fretted versions, mostly bowed. I couldn't see them in detail. They tuned frequently and without a pitch reference I could hear, bringing one string up amazingly fast and then double stopping for the second. Unisons were very clean. One of them explained they weren't used to such a humid climate and they needed a lot of adjustment.


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Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: Gary D.] #2835891
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I googled to see if there was any discussion on the modes or scales used, and to my surprise it turns out there is something called the C-Mongolian. Who knew?

https://www.scales-chords.com/scaleinfo.php?skey=C&sname=mongolian

In what universe is C D E G A not pentatonic?


In the Mongolian universe evidently.


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Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: TimR] #2835909
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Originally Posted by TimR

The only time I heard that pentatonic was when someone was singing overtones against his own voice drone. In retrospect I think the tuning of those notes may have been a good bit off from ET. I may check a recording with a tuner or Audacity later.

If overtone singing it would have to be away from ET, or it wouldn't work.

This is the only example I found that has visuals, and you'll see some of the bands fall between the piano notes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHTF1-IhuC0

Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: keystring] #2835948
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Originally Posted by keystring

If overtone singing it would have to be away from ET, or it wouldn't work.

Frightening that you have to explain that to people...


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Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: Gary D.] #2835985
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Originally Posted by Gary D.
Originally Posted by keystring

If overtone singing it would have to be away from ET, or it wouldn't work.

Frightening that you have to explain that to people...

I would not expect the average pianist or piano teacher to necessarily know these things - but I was a bit surprised with it coming from a brass player since from everything I've learned, these things are very much involved. Maybe it is a matter of "transference of knowledge to new places" - what lives in brass stays in brass.
Tim - did my link clarify anything for you?

Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: pianocoach521] #2836019
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keystring,

Sorry this might go long and off topic.

Thanks for finding that. I've been sharing an older Anna-Maria video with friends for years, but this one is incredible. I've never seen the overtone series demonstrated so cleanly and visually.

As a brass player I'm well familiar with the overtone series and the partial series, which are slightly different on trombone, but it's a distinction that most wouldn't be interested in.

The driven overtone series on trombone has a very simple mathematical relationship. The octave is exactly twice the frequency, and the others have similar integer multiple relationships, as do any "perfect" or beatless intervals. As an engineer I can tell you this is rare for mechanical systems and that's why we construct stiffness matrices and calculate eigenvalues and eigenvectors, at least if we don't want bridges to fall down or turbine blades to let go. Pianos and guitars are mechanical systems where the overtones do not have those simple relationships. That adds a complication beyond the difficulties of temperament. (inharmonicity)

My interest is mainly that the better I can learn to listen to subtle differences, the more precisely I can play and maybe sing in tune. Or at least know when I'm wrong.

I don't know much about the voice and its overtones. I've always assumed the overtone relationship must be different because you can sing the same note on different vowels. Something for me to research, I guess. Maybe you've looked into this.

Back on topic, to my ears the overtone singing done at the concert and by Anna-Marie is neither quite ET nor quite a pure interval.

Back off topic, a trombone player I know from forums,who's a working pro in NY, uses overtone singing as a guide to shaping his vocal cavity for expanding the high range. It's intriguing.


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Re: Anybody can help me with Mixolydian key theory? [Re: pianocoach521] #2836581
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Tim, I answered in PM.

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