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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action
Kenny Cheng #2835847 04/05/19 05:30 PM
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I apologize! I must’ve dreamt the whole thing about a Nord built by Kawai (crazy, right?), or it might’ve been the other way around, but back to the issue at hand: built-in iPads for the NV-10. wink

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Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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Slightly off topic: anyone heard of the Nord Grand? grin


Nord Grand? What's that? Stay on topic, Pete. We're talking about ipads being used for screenreaders on NV10s here. Sheesh! (the nerve of some people)

Thanks for keeping us on-topic Gombessa! Now about those iPads....


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Two words: Nord Grand.

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And one number: 2.5
GB, that is.
As in: too little, too late.

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Wait..... so the music stand is not included?
I think I’ve blown a fuse. I’m going to need some therapy for this one. cry


They had to cut some corners to come up with such a cheap price.

Re: Nord introduces Nord Grand with Kawai Hammer action
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Originally Posted by Fleer
And one number: 2.5
GB, that is.
As in: too little, too late.

Nah, it's fine. It's probably enough to load just about every Nord piano sample there is. And I don't expect they are going to be coming out with any new huge gigabyte samples either, because those wouldn't work on all the Nords that have been sold over the years, and supporting existing Nords with an expanding library is part of why people buy Nords. And the fact is, despite unimpressive size by some standards, Nord manages to make their pianos sound darn good, esp. for live performance, which is their niche, they do call it a "stage piano." At home or in a studio, you always have the option of VSTs anyway.

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Good points, a/scott, thanks.

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About pricing: Compare these European (Thomann) prices - I guess the relations will be similar in other markets:

Nord Grand: 3099 Euros

Kawai VPC1: 1299 Euros
Nord Electro 6D 61: 1599 Euros

So you get wooden Kawai keys, all of the Nord Piano Library, plus a waterfall action for a second manual, plus organ, in a cheaper setup... hmm.

Granted, the Nord Grand provides a simpler setup, a big plus on stage, but it is not exactly lightweight either.

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Kenny Cheng #2836377 04/07/19 08:52 AM
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True the Nord Grand is not lightweight... but for a lot of people, is less likely to cross the line to unmanageable as the VPC1 more likely would.

But there are plenty of hammer action boards one could mate with an Electro to do something similar at lighter weight. Either way, you do lose some piano sample memory (Electro has 1 GB vs the Grand's 2 GB), and possibly the triple pedal.

The other thing is that a lot of people simply want to travel with just one board. Or if they're using two boards, they want some other function out of their third board, so splitting the Nord Grand's function itself into two boards might mean increasing the total rig from two to three boards.

But to the extent that your point is that the Nord solution is not the most cost-efficient, that's pretty much a given any time a rig includes a Nord. ;-) Nord is for when your priority is things other than cost effectiveness.

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Hi anotherscott, yes, all your points are valid. I am just pointing to the price which should be a few hundred less IMO. The triple pedal is a real plus (miss that on my setup), the sample memory less so. I tried a combo Yamaha CP4 + Nord Electro myself and was not entirely satisfied... and I love the wooden Kawai actions.

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Personally speaking, I’m a bit less sensitive on price if the instrument checks all the boxes - within reason of course. I’m pretty sensitive to carry weight (read: lazy) so something like the Nord Grand would home studio/extra special occasion use only. I currently have a Roland RD-800 in my studio which I’m perfectly happy with right now.

I have been playing my new Electro 6D through the RD lately and have really been enjoying the sound and feel combination. I can certainly see being happy with the Nord Grand. And I like the form factor with the flat top - perfect for a laptop, tablet or small synth.

We’ll have to wait for the Nord Grand to get in the hands of users and stores to better understand its value.


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Originally Posted by Rusty Mike
Personally speaking, I’m a bit less sensitive on price if the instrument checks all the boxes - within reason of course. I’m pretty sensitive to carry weight (read: lazy) so something like the Nord Grand would home studio/extra special occasion use only. I currently have a Roland RD-800 in my studio which I’m perfectly happy with right now.

I have been playing my new Electro 6D through the RD lately and have really been enjoying the sound and feel combination. I can certainly see being happy with the Nord Grand. And I like the form factor with the flat top - perfect for a laptop, tablet or small synth.

We’ll have to wait for the Nord Grand to get in the hands of users and stores to better understand its value.


I do wonder if they fixed the soft-sluggish keyfeel, all kawai slabs embrace.
Nothing against the furniture ones, but the slabs just don't feel right.

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Originally Posted by nicknameTaken

I do wonder if they fixed the soft-sluggish keyfeel, all kawai slabs embrace.
Nothing against the furniture ones, but the slabs just don't feel right.

Hmmmmm... the Kawai cabinet/furniture DPs use the same actions as the slabs... for example, you will find the GF2 and the RH3 on both.

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Originally Posted by arc7urus
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I do wonder if they fixed the soft-sluggish keyfeel, all kawai slabs embrace.
Nothing against the furniture ones, but the slabs just don't feel right.

Hmmmmm... the Kawai cabinet/furniture DPs use the same actions as the slabs... for example, you will find the GF2 and the RH3 on both.


That's not true. The MP11SE has the Grand Feel whereas the Kawai CA78 has the Grand Feel II. It's a big difference to me.

Big enough to say, when theres no GFII on a slab, I won't use that slab as long as it feels the same way the other Kawai slab do in terms of feel.

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"White grand"? New "grand" sample?
https://www.norduserforum.com/general-no...60-60.html
... american Steinway? What do you think?


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I admit i am excited for this, though I have not tried the RH3 action. I am not quick to write it off just due to 'plastic' keys. The VPC1 keys are wooden and feel good but are totally unrealistically heavy compared to any real grand. Combining nords samples with any kawai action sounds like a win to me.

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Live performance (Joel Lyssarides Trio) with a Nord Grand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UiqdFF78AI

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New "White grand" is probably old Malmsjo grand. We will see.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know if Forscore forScore even supports a pair of linked iPad Pros in left-page-right-page format!

Yes, forScore supports this mode.

GVIDO music reader: a review
Agree with conclusions and comments there: too much drawbacks for too much price.

iPad Pro 12.9", forScore, Apple Pencil and AirTurn PEDpro or PageFlip FireFly are the best combination for work with sheet music.

The best iPad score reader for most people

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know if Forscore forScore even supports a pair of linked iPad Pros in left-page-right-page format!

Yes, forScore supports this mode.

GVIDO music reader: a review
Agree with conclusions and comments there: too much drawbacks for too much price.

iPad Pro 12.9", forScore, Apple Pencil and AirTurn PEDpro or PageFlip FireFly are the best combination for work with sheet music.

The best iPad score reader for most people


Thanks! I'm definitely going to be testing out an iPad Pro with forScore first and see if it meets my needs before spending money on a GVIDO. If it does work for me, then I am going to get a 2nd one and have a hinge 3-D printed for me so that I have a nice 2-page score-reader.


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